Queer Killers
Episode 3
We hate to admit it but...some gay people are evil murderers *GASP*! It's not just the straights that are making killing a habit. So today, we're talking all about gay killers. But don't get it twisted! This episode is NOT a free pass to assume that all gay people are evil. I'm looking at you, conservatives! If you use this episode as an excuse to push your homophobic talking points, we're counting that as a crime.
Kevin's story is all about the gay banker worker murderer! NOT to be confused with the gang bang worker murder. That's a story for a different day. You'll hear how Jasvir Ginday's arranged marriage with Varkha Rani went terribly wrong. A little societal pressure to be straight never hurt nobody, right? WRONG.
And Brandon is taking us down a truly disturbing rabbit hole about "The Candy Man" Dean Corll and his 28 victims. Dean is the kind of serial killer that will keep you awake at night. But what does candy have to do with it? You'll have to tune in to find out!
TRIGGER WARNING: child abuse, sexual assault, grooming and rape. I'm sure you're all prepared to hear about murder with this podcast but this story involves some intense sexual trauma. Please take care of yourself! And if you're thankful to finally have a gay perspective on true crime, don't forget to rate and review the show. Also, share it with your friends because otherwise, you are a loser!
Transcript
00:00:00:00 - 00:00:08:00
Kevin + Brandon
Welcome to Homicide, The podcast.
00:00:08:02 - 00:00:24:26
Kevin + Brandon
I'm Kevin. And I'm Brandon Brady. I forgot our intro. I know. And I almost forgot to say, Well, is it again? Okay, now you're just two extra. It's going to change every time. It's going to develop and grow into something bigger and more fabulous. And and people who are just listening and I know they're like that. They're like, what are you talking about?
00:00:24:27 - 00:00:46:23
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. Well, welcome to episode three of Homicide, the podcast. I know we've made it to the third to the third episode. We have officially launched as of the release of this podcast, but we have not one because we're recording. Yes, totally. October 30th you did. But Brandon, how are you? wait, we have our producer here today. Hi.
00:00:46:26 - 00:01:07:06
Kevin + Brandon
Hello. And then we also have Ethan here behind the camera, and we have Martina, Rita, Frieda. She's just sitting with us. If you're watching on YouTube, you can get a little maybe you could say or you might not be able to, but she's just napping. She's cute. She has a little issue right now, so. our little pup is getting old and she's getting old and she's on her deathbed.
00:01:07:06 - 00:01:23:21
Kevin + Brandon
She doesn't feel anything. She's good, but she's in her early heart failure. But we don't need to, like, you know, get too upset about it. The other day we were at a Broadway show and we had just found out that she has early heart failure and she's nearing the end. And I was like sobbing the entire time at this funny comedic.
00:01:23:22 - 00:01:37:13
Kevin + Brandon
It was a great show. And I was crying like, random people are going to think that we're like arguing and I'm like, angry at you and make you cry, you know? So I cried harder, which, you know, that's great. It was the cottage was the cottage on Broadway. I haven't even heard it. it's just closed, actually. It closed, right?
00:01:37:14 - 00:01:52:09
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, just because they had a little fun. Yeah, it was really good. I actually. We went because I also an actor, but I was in an Apple TV show with Alex Moffat, and so I got to hang out with him for a little bit. So I was like, Let's go to the show and support in general. So we went, which was great.
00:01:52:17 - 00:02:24:09
Kevin + Brandon
But once the strike is over, I will promote on the show, but we can't right now. Yeah, no promotion of anything. But speaking of which, today Brandon and I went to join the picket at NBC Universal. Yeah, at 30 Rock today, which is lovely actually. UCB, where I'm taking classes for improv. They hosted today at this specific picket, so it was an amazing there was a lot of people there was like, Yeah, I tried to count at one point and there was like 80 something, but then more people had come into the lines and then, yeah, so I think that there had been over 100 people.
00:02:24:10 - 00:02:42:23
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, it was intense, but it was fantastic and hopefully, you know, we strikes will be over. So yeah, hopefully we can reach a deal and these executives could pull their head out of their ass. But yeah, so I'm proudly showing, you know, my, my SAG strong shirt. I am SAG, I am a part of the union. So that's fun.
00:02:42:28 - 00:03:01:14
Kevin + Brandon
my God. Today. Yeah. What did you do today? So I'm messy, you guys. It's clumsy. Kevin's the type of person who, like, won't pay attention as he's walking down the road in, like, almost accidentally walk into, like, a pillar that is right in front of him, which is actually literally. Yeah. See, this is why we were together.
00:03:01:16 - 00:03:20:12
Kevin + Brandon
But today, I'm, like, on the line, and I don't know if anybody knows who. Scott Foley is an incredible actor from like my teenage years up until still very much. I mean, he was on Scandal. He got to be with Kerry Washington, who is a fan of Kerry Washington. So the last dance ever. Anyway, we're walking in the picket line, whatever.
00:03:20:12 - 00:03:41:04
Kevin + Brandon
And I don't, you know, celebrities, they're all normal people to me. But we're walking by and I'm like, holding coffee and, like, fidgeting with my jacket in my my sign that I had fell and hit him in the face just like some at the exact moment that I'm walking by him. That's where the universe decided to have this moment happen.
00:03:41:04 - 00:03:56:02
Kevin + Brandon
I don't even know where. so it hits him and I'm like, my God, I'm so sorry. And I like, pull it back. And I'm like, my God, Mortified. So we like, pass him again and I like, reach out. I'm like, I'm so sorry. And he was nice. So he was like, stop. Like, stop. You you don't have to apologize.
00:03:56:02 - 00:04:13:11
Kevin + Brandon
Like, obviously it was an accident. And then I avoided looking at him the rest of the time. So which was like an hour, Right. But other than that, well, I guess no, I stepped on the on the woman in front of me on her shoe and gave her what is it called? A new flat tire. Flat tire, which was also awful.
00:04:13:11 - 00:04:31:19
Kevin + Brandon
And then we took a video together and now she's my friend. So that's fun. So for this episode. Yeah, since we have to launch, that's maybe a fun opportunity. For those of you who are just joining us to just say a little bit about ourselves. So I just said that I am an actor, but also Brandon and I own a creative and marketing ad agency in Tampa, Florida, doing some of that.
00:04:31:19 - 00:04:57:24
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, we're not just partners in life. We're partners and business and now partners in murder podcasts, right. Of interest and crime. Yeah. So in 2017, Kevin and I decided that we didn't want to work for people anymore, and we said, Yeah, just do them. Where is it? I love that. I love that moment. Yeah. So we started our own agency because we wanted to create the place that we couldn't find for ourselves.
00:04:57:24 - 00:05:15:17
Kevin + Brandon
So I'm a graphic designer by trade. Kevin's a photographer by trade and an actor, and he's like one of those annoying people who could do like multiple things to do really well. So whenever he is up, I can't do British, right? Whenever he can't do something, I really latch on to it. So his British accent isn't the best.
00:05:15:17 - 00:05:38:01
Kevin + Brandon
So I get to like whole stereo. It's actually good now because I know, because I've said it so many times, he'll go from like British to country to New York. It's really bizarre. Yeah, it's really it's bizarre, but it's very entertaining. Well, you're welcome. Why don't you do your story in your British accent? No, thank you. So it actually is your guy is from.
00:05:38:07 - 00:05:58:02
Kevin + Brandon
I'm not doing it. Don't put me on the spot. Do it. No. Okay. Okay. Speaking of which, maybe we should just dive. one more thing. We're gay. If you didn't know about. that's the thing. So there we go. And on that note, I'll be there. Such a bizarre thing. Thank you. I mean, I would hope so.
00:05:58:05 - 00:06:19:06
Kevin + Brandon
By episode three of a podcast called Homo Side. Well, that people would know were gay, maybe, but people still think we're twins. So which we addressed early on. But I think people stare at us often because they think we're twins, although the guy that runs the social media, I think that's who he is today told us that we were very photogenic and he feels like he took our picture before, but he's going to take it again.
00:06:19:06 - 00:06:35:16
Kevin + Brandon
And I was like you to take a few did, but thank you. I'll take it to. Thank you so much. I'm one of the few non-actors in this whole line, but yeah, you can take my photo and put me on the website. Okay. Well, yeah. So what are we? What? I mean, your line kind of just did go into kind of segway into it and say Yes, okay.
00:06:35:17 - 00:07:00:06
Kevin + Brandon
But today's podcast is about queer killers. I had a burp right when I breathed in. That felt weird. Anyway, yes, we are featuring gay killers today. Groups be exciting. I'm really excited. Just chat about mine. Yeah, me too. And this is the first episode where I actually don't know anything about Heaven's Murderer, so I'm super excited to hear this.
00:07:00:06 - 00:07:16:15
Kevin + Brandon
I know this is also an episode where mine's actually not that long and pregnancies maybe a little bit long, but stay tuned. He's going to jump in second because I'm gonna go first. Yes, let's go for it first. I say yes. Thank you. There we go. That's okay. Well, no, I won't last. you at last. I know you're good.
00:07:16:15 - 00:07:36:16
Kevin + Brandon
Keep going. Okay. Brandon, I named my story today. you named it my name to you? It doesn't have a name or anything. You just. He does. But I wanted to give a little pizzazz to it. You're just so creative. Thank you. What is everybody so creative? If you know that Tick tock, you don't. It's. She's hilarious. Also, thank you.
00:07:36:17 - 00:08:04:25
Kevin + Brandon
The name of my story today is called The Gay Bank Worker Murder The Gay Bank. That's why I said, Are you saying gang bang? Earlier? He kept saying it. I'm like, Well, I originally was going to call it the gay banker, but then I was like, Well, he's not actually a banker and I'm kind of dumb. So I put the gay bank worker murder, gay bank worker, murderer, gay bank worker, murderer, murderer or murder murderer.
00:08:05:15 - 00:08:21:21
Kevin + Brandon
you going to try one more time? No, I'm just trying to get clarity. I want to understand. You're like, No, don't make me say it again. Right? I don't want to say it again. Okay, So here's what's interesting. So this involves and I'm going to fuck up these names. So any listeners that are like, get it right, just let me know.
00:08:21:23 - 00:08:45:25
Kevin + Brandon
But it is just vier gyn de he's the killer and then the victim is Vaka Rani So let's remember those names. I'm going to call them by their first names, even though they're more difficult than the listener first. Just Veer is a 29 year old, was a 29 year old from Warsaw, England, which Walsall, which I've never heard before, is actually kind of far from London.
00:08:45:25 - 00:09:05:13
Kevin + Brandon
It's like northern. Yeah, England. He works at the Royal Bank of Scotland in I.t. So he wasn't a banker. yeah. So then why did you name a banker. Because he worked at a bank, but he wasn't. Why? Name two before. I was totally clear on who he was. Okay. I just like some things were like he worked at the bank.
00:09:05:21 - 00:09:23:04
Kevin + Brandon
because you said bank worker. I think worker. I got it. I got it. What? He is now, it's coming together. It's now a little bit. I'm sorry. That's what he was saying. You should have said it three times. Four times like Beetlejuice. Yes, Yes. He's just going to appear. If I say three times, I don't know that we can say it themselves.
00:09:23:05 - 00:09:49:02
Kevin + Brandon
Let's try it. Really? The gay bank worker murder. no, that's. I'm not going to do it. No. Yeah. All right, Fuck it. Okay, so I'm going to talk to you about vodka. Ronnie, She was a 24 year old actually, from India. She's described as very well-educated, very attractive and really intelligent, jazzier of Indian descent, but lives there, lived in England, really kind of from there.
00:09:49:02 - 00:10:13:23
Kevin + Brandon
And if you know anything about culture, the Indian culture, arranged marriages are a huge thing and homosexuality is not. Well, in a lot of cultures, it's a lot of cultures. But specifically that 1st October 2012, Jasper, the 29 year old and his mom actually ended up traveling from England to India to specifically find him a wife to put him into an arranged marriage.
00:10:13:26 - 00:10:35:02
Kevin + Brandon
On that trip, literally like two days before he was supposed to fly back home to England, he met Abarca at that time. I believe it's at that time they decided to get engaged within hours of meeting and they were in Punjab, which I'm saying wrong. India, which is like a city in India, set so crazy getting meeting somebody and just getting married all of a sudden.
00:10:35:02 - 00:10:52:26
Kevin + Brandon
Well, and I never knew that's not true. I knew about it. I just wasn't like arranged marriages. Yeah, like I knew about them. I just didn't have experience. It's an interesting practice, too. Yeah, some people love it. Some people hate it. Sure. It's like I'm assuming this is what leads to a murder. So in this case, maybe so.
00:10:52:26 - 00:11:09:15
Kevin + Brandon
Right. And it's funny because I used to have a team when I moved to New York the first time I worked at Whole Foods and one of my team members was Bangladeshi from Bangladesh. And she was going through the process of getting an arranged marriage. Yeah, hers is great. Like she ended up very happy, which I think is amazing.
00:11:09:15 - 00:11:25:09
Kevin + Brandon
But I do remember her talking to me about how stressful she was. Well, it's got to be like a different kind of stress because even like on meeting somebody is really stressful and like, understanding that. But yeah, taking the pressures off of, I have to go on all these different dates and whatever, You don't have that trust.
00:11:25:09 - 00:11:42:14
Kevin + Brandon
You have the stress of I've never met you before. Will you murder me also? But just that the arranged marriage and then those cultures like you don't. You don't fuck until you're married. No, And I'm sorry, but I think that people need to test the goods before they secure it, you know? Right. Like you've tested a lot of goods.
00:11:42:18 - 00:11:59:22
Kevin + Brandon
I did test a lot of coats. Thank you. Thank you for telling me that. Damn. What was that? I'm trying to get that. all right. All right. Thank you for the cloud. So next time, I think it works for some people, bring a little, right? Yeah. Do your thing. Be be you. Be proud. I'm here for it.
00:11:59:22 - 00:12:27:02
Kevin + Brandon
I was a very big salute, which I say instead of slut, we call it a salute. I was a big one when I was younger, and I'm glad I was saluted around. I did. Which is how I knew I could love you. so here we are anyway. But so back to my old team member, though. The funny juxtaposition between the two of us was it was so new for me to learn about the arranged marriage stuff, and it was really new for her to understand sexuality because she was very much like, You might not be gay.
00:12:27:02 - 00:12:45:10
Kevin + Brandon
And I'm like, Yeah, believe me, I've tried a lot. And she just did not understand kind of the, the idea of the day why I would choose. Yeah. And she's like, You just seem to meet a really, really beautiful woman. And then my girlfriend, I have met several and that wasn't a no no, there's no way. So anyway, there's something missing here.
00:12:45:13 - 00:13:18:22
Kevin + Brandon
A big thing. Yeah, a big thing. And you're an average size thing. A big three doesn't have to be big. You know the big thing missing? Yeah. What I'm talking about, though. All right, so back to just beer and vodka. Both, like I said, were from Indian descent. They had this arranged marriage. So in March of 2013, so meant October 2012, basically got engaged In March 2013, they had this extra havoc in some beautiful, lavish wedding with up to 700 guests.
00:13:18:24 - 00:13:37:12
Kevin + Brandon
my gosh. And I'm sure it was beautiful. Any any Indian wedding I've seen beautiful colors. I want to go to one. Yeah. Know, I would love to go to one. Yeah. Like, God. Beautiful. So there's was as well. And like, there are the wedding pictures actually on, on the internet and it was just they looked gorgeous together.
00:13:37:12 - 00:13:58:12
Kevin + Brandon
We can add that to the cover art. Yeah. Let's check out our Instagram for more. at homicide podcast. So what it is. Yeah, yeah. Great. After the wedding, just beer returned home without vodka because she was waiting for her visa so she could not come back to England with him to live until she got that. Yeah. So again, you know, they didn't even really know each other.
00:13:58:12 - 00:14:13:14
Kevin + Brandon
So how long have they known each other by this point? They met in like October 2012, and this is March of 2013. So what is that, like December? Yeah, like five months. Yeah. For Jesus. Like we got, we were engaged. For how long? Like over two years. Two years? Yeah. We weren't ready to get married now. my God.
00:14:13:15 - 00:14:31:29
Kevin + Brandon
No, but, you know, like five months. But your parents. Your parents got married after, like, three. It was something like that. That's so weird to me. But they knew. And there's another. Yeah, it's been like, a long fucking time. Like 40 something. 31 for me, for. I don't know. I don't know what Brain just did that they were not old.
00:14:32:19 - 00:14:53:10
Kevin + Brandon
Anyway, so this is why your mom likes me more. She does say that you should have been her child, you know? So once Vaka got her visa, then she went to the UK to live with us for her. So that's actually when she moved there. And so that was in August of 2013. Okay. So tension actually moved there.
00:14:53:13 - 00:15:21:14
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. So between when they met in their wedding, did they not, were they not around each other? No. So he went back to London. Not London. Well I'm sorry. Yeah. He was in and then, and then she was still in India. So they've really have only had days with each other. Yeah. Like not a lot of time. So they lived in a place called Victory Lane which was in Walsall England, which quintessential England like their little brick, it looked like Harry Potter, you know, the opening of the very first one, the opening scene with the light, that's what it looked like.
00:15:21:17 - 00:15:43:25
Kevin + Brandon
I was like I would live there. Yeah, well not now and you'll see why, but I would have. So here's what I labeled as some shady shit. So here's what's interesting about an arranged marriages and homosexuality and cultures where it's like not accepted. Whatever. Just Veer was a gay man and he actually was telling people that he was attracted to men as early as 2008 when he was 12.
00:15:44:00 - 00:16:01:14
Kevin + Brandon
well. But he was really afraid of what his parents would do or like of being gay. And so he was shamed for it, I'm sure. Yeah, he got married anyway, right. And he got married because of his desire to please his parents and conceal his homosexuality from them. And then with that, though, over the years, just fear was on gay chat stuff.
00:16:01:14 - 00:16:20:17
Kevin + Brandon
He was just on, you know, what gay men do in general and in London. So he's definitely had a network of like gay friends and attended clubs in the Birmingham areas of Birmingham is actually close to where he lived. He was definitely, you know, gay but did not his family did not know that he was socially. Definitely. Yeah.
00:16:20:19 - 00:16:46:23
Kevin + Brandon
There. So I'm assuming this new woman does not know either. No. About a month. So August 2013 just severe starts looking up. Well, we don't know that it was him, but he starts looking up incinerators for his backyard just like I don't know where to send or just internet search incinerator generator. Just where? Like I'm trying to think of a logical reason to have an incinerator.
00:16:46:23 - 00:17:02:00
Kevin + Brandon
Well, here's the thing. So in our backyard in Tampa, we have a fire pit. A chimney? A chimney? Yeah. Which is like very Colorado. Yes, We bought it in New Mexico and brought it. But that's where we burn stuff. Right? But if we've ever done a burn like we did a burn pit in our backyard where we burned, like all the leaves and stuff.
00:17:02:00 - 00:17:21:28
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. So an incinerator is actually like a metal actually put it in here. It's a thick metal barrel that's meant for burning trimmings and scraps. Like it's actually quite popular there. Also, I put in here, we need one. Why our backyard? Why do we need an incinerator? Not for what? You're going to put you in it. You won't.
00:17:21:28 - 00:17:36:01
Kevin + Brandon
You won't fit, but. Okay. I'm sorry. Was that a fat joke? It wasn't. And you'll see. Why are rude? you wouldn't fit. I would have to cut you up. But I'm not doing that. Let's just not. It's too much work for the future. That's what it is. It's too much work to cut up my body to put me in it.
00:17:36:01 - 00:17:54:19
Kevin + Brandon
It's literally gross. Okay, good to know. So and I couldn't find much information on them in general. Right. Because, like, it's interesting that serial killers and stuff like that, they just go way deeper into their lives, whereas like a one off. Yeah, they don't actually do I? You know, it's just so normal. Yeah. At this point, which is awful.
00:17:54:26 - 00:18:17:24
Kevin + Brandon
So I have the murder. So September 12th, 2013, literally one month after Vaka arrived in the UK to begin her married life with just fear. So five months after their wedding, she was looking at his iPhone and iPad. Yeah. So she moved to the UK where she knows no one. Yeah, not one person and she finds out he's gay through looking, so she gets his phone and whatever.
00:18:17:24 - 00:18:31:21
Kevin + Brandon
And I don't know that she was. Who knows if she was like searching them. Yeah. Like if she was you. I know you would do that for sure, because you're a weirdo. I mean, I totally will take a dive if you give me your phone, so. Not anymore. I'm over it if you want to do whatever you want.
00:18:31:21 - 00:18:57:18
Kevin + Brandon
Now, in the beginning, I was like, Yeah, I'm going to look at everything. I want to see what I can find, what doesn't like two, three months? And then Brandon was like at my apartment one day and I was at work and he did a deep dive into my computer and full transparency. I definitely had some videos of my ex on there that were private that I hadn't remembered that were on there, and he found them and I was like, What the fuck is this not being like, yeah, you just had a seven year relationship.
00:18:57:18 - 00:19:15:11
Kevin + Brandon
Of course we would have photos and we were only dating. There was no commitment, but well, anyway, he was not my boyfriend at the time yet, but yes, Brendan is a he's also a voyeur. Looks in people's windows and shit. Okay, but I'm looking to like, okay, we live in New York. You walk by people's houses. I want to look to see how they decorated it.
00:19:15:11 - 00:19:32:16
Kevin + Brandon
I'm not I'm not looking for, like, people having sex. You'll look to be like, Is there anybody naked? Yeah, sure. Okay. Well, we just spilled those secrets. We're not voyeurs. We're not sitting and watching you undress or anything. That's weird. We don't do that. We don't. But close your windows. Okay, So unless there's consent, I don't know that.
00:19:32:16 - 00:20:00:28
Kevin + Brandon
I want to watch anybody. I want to watch Anyway, that's, like, not aggressive enough. Okay, So she's going through his phone and finds what I'm assuming it just said, like compromising images, which I'm sure were like images of his dick and maybe other dicks or porn or whatever it would be that actually caused them to get into a heated scuffle cuddle, which for somebody who just left their country to be with somebody who has no way, no idea what this person is, I would be upset.
00:20:00:28 - 00:20:15:16
Kevin + Brandon
Hell yeah. We could have had a conversation. Excuse me? You could have, like, not married. Me, too. I could see both sides. Well, not. I could see the side of being like, Fuck. I don't want you to know that I'm. yeah. Because my parents, all of this culture, whatever. But then also the flip side, like, don't marry women, okay?
00:20:15:18 - 00:20:40:11
Kevin + Brandon
She then threatened to expose his homosexuality. This is actually, according to him. And you'll see why. Because there's not a lot that they can get. Yeah. Incinerator. Basically what he says is that she came at him and so he needed to restrain her. So he took a metal vacuum cleaner pipe and pushed it against her throat on the ground and then got a little bit too carried away and pushed it to really, really hard.
00:20:40:11 - 00:21:01:25
Kevin + Brandon
So she ended up dying. And so and here's what's interesting. One of the articles said that she was throttled. Do we remember? Is this episode one where you were like, throttled? And we were like, what? It was It was last episode, okay? And we were all like, Throttle was five. Yeah. Okay. Well, I looked it up, so throttled actually means to attack or kill someone by choking or strangling them.
00:21:01:25 - 00:21:24:13
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. So you maybe are accurate. Maybe we do know some people. for sure. We deal with problems. So here's where it gets a little bit spicy and gross and weird. So after the murder, So he kills her with that, he then it's like, darn, I need to get rid of her body. He pulls her from, I guess this happened in the bedroom, pulls her from the bedroom into their backyard garden area.
00:21:24:19 - 00:21:50:26
Kevin + Brandon
And I don't think I'm like what you're about to say. And puts it into a fetal position, like, you know, when the baby is. Yeah. With your knees, like, to your chest. Yeah. And basically they had he had purchased this incinerator, which was 22 inches deep. So think of the 22 inches deep would be, well, Molly probably did though I think it was like 20 inches 22.
00:21:51:09 - 00:22:10:10
Kevin + Brandon
And then the diameter I think is something Ireland wrote, the 22 inches. But basically he takes her body, folds it all up right. Like that and then stuffs it into this thing which, you know, her body's like she can't do that but come on pushes her down into that, pours a whole bunch of petrol all over her and lights are on fire.
00:22:10:12 - 00:22:40:01
Kevin + Brandon
Neighbors right. Noticed a foul burning so Yeah. And they were like, what is is everything okay? What's going on? So he just told his neighbors that he was burning general rubbish road the disrespect I think you write know that same day he then I mean his uncle I guess went to the police station and informed them that she was missing and he said that she assaulted him, pushed him down the stairs, took £500 and walked out of their home.
00:22:40:03 - 00:23:02:16
Kevin + Brandon
And then he said that she used him to gain entry to the UK. Okay, what's fuck you for talking about those narratives, right, General? Because just because you can't own up to the fact that you are a gay man, so you would rather kill somebody. Yeah. So it makes some stupid fucking story. Yeah. That next day, that morning, there's still more of her left right that didn't totally burn.
00:23:02:16 - 00:23:21:07
Kevin + Brandon
And this little thing. So he lights it on fire again to, like, burn the rest of of her. So again, the neighbors actually called this one end and they were like, okay, there is a very unpleasant smelling smoke coming from this guy's backyard. So the cops actually end up coming there and they're like, hey, you know, you can't I don't know that they were like, You can't burn a lot of stuff.
00:23:21:12 - 00:23:42:26
Kevin + Brandon
Like what? You know, what is this? And he's like, I've just been burning a whole bunch of leaves. And so the cops, I don't know that there was a connection between him reporting her missing and this event because they literally happened the next day. But one of the officers saw the incinerator. Yeah. And lifted the lid up and there was a skull in it.
00:23:42:28 - 00:24:03:06
Kevin + Brandon
We can't imagine opening that. Interesting. Like, like, I think we have something different here. If the rest of her body obviously was found in this incinerator but was burned beyond recognition, clearly. And I'm like, how much of that was even left in general? Right. But they can't determine a murder. Like they can't determine anything like how she was murdered or anything.
00:24:03:06 - 00:24:24:05
Kevin + Brandon
So they can only based off of his story. Yeah, because she's burned, they can't even tell. This is how she was thrown out. Exactly. Officers then also found a fire damaged the mattress, which I thought this was an interesting way to describe, like the open space behind them. But it's called Parkland. So officers found a fire damaged mattress in the Parkland behind the couple's home was like a forest.
00:24:24:08 - 00:24:46:21
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, I think so. I didn't look up. But you know as well as jewelry and paperwork relating to their marriage, like burned in the park behind their house, which so this was just all like, super premeditated. So he says that he nothing was planned. But here's the thing, which is the next thing, the evidence, CCTV everybody knows the CCTV is.
00:24:46:24 - 00:25:05:03
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, it's just constant surveillance everywhere in London, all over England. I'm sure, but definitely in London. But anyway, so CCTV shows that it was a four week trial in general. So he was arrested, obviously put on trial. And it's funny because they don't call. They're not like the court, they're called the crown. It's like the. The Crown Court.
00:25:05:10 - 00:25:29:05
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. The CCTV actually showed that he drove to a garage forecourt and filled up a two liter water bottle with gas, basically with petrol on September 12th, 2013. So same day he killed her, he went and gets gas. Do they know, like if it was like before or after, like in a water bottle. Yeah. Like, and there's literally I looked it up and you could like see him like, feel like it was really fucking weird.
00:25:29:05 - 00:25:45:01
Kevin + Brandon
And so I said that the smoke was coming from the garden of the home the same day and the morning after the same day he purchases oil and gas. She was reported missing after that and then the morning after it retired, he said that there was more smoke. He was trying to get rid of any other trace of her, which is why he did that.
00:25:45:01 - 00:26:10:11
Kevin + Brandon
So like I said, they can't determine how she was died. But it's clear to the pathologist that she was dead when she was put into the incinerator for sure. That's I mean, so thinks thinks that he actually denied that he murdered her. Of course he did. But did admit to manslaughter. And he was unanimously convicted of murder at the Wolverhampton Crown Court after jurors heard that he throttled his wife just a month after he arrived in the UK from India.
00:26:10:11 - 00:26:32:02
Kevin + Brandon
So he was sentenced and this is interesting, sentenced to a minimum of 21 years. But that was a sentence to a minimum of 21 years. So it's some max. There isn't. It's like if they decide to let him out. Yeah. So just a minute. Just because he couldn't come. Well, so here's what. So there was this what they're called a principle crown advocate for the West Midlands Crown prosecution.
00:26:32:02 - 00:26:52:23
Kevin + Brandon
Basically, she's the prosecutor. Her name is Debbie Gould. She actually says that he was gay, obviously, and had no interest in female partners. And she said, but think about what were his options, which I thought this was really interesting. She goes, yeah, divorce would have have to be explained. And reflect badly on him and his family, particularly if the reason was his sexual orientation.
00:26:52:24 - 00:27:11:19
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. Rowan And then currently he could live the life of marriage to a woman he had no sexual attraction for, and reject a living as a gay man for the duration of his married life if he could find a way out. Yeah. So his plan basically was to be like, a married? Yeah. With her gone and dead, and then he could live his life.
00:27:11:25 - 00:27:31:05
Kevin + Brandon
yeah, Yeah. He just wanted to conceal his sexuality. So think about that. So crazy. All of those influences. He just wanted to hide the fact that he was gay because of. Yeah. So he murders this innocent. Just. Yeah, well, I mean, when you're bred to think that that's a bad thing, and then there's all these different stipulations with family and in your culture and everything that it's not.
00:27:31:05 - 00:27:53:16
Kevin + Brandon
And I'm sure it was the easy choice to not come out. Yeah, sure. But like, you don't murder somebody because of your own. We don't drag somebody else into your own bullshit. Yeah, just gross. So, yeah, that's my. Well, that's interesting. That's short, short and sweet. The gay bank worker murder. Bank worker, banker. Fuck the gay bank worker.
00:27:53:16 - 00:28:11:20
Kevin + Brandon
No, you set it right. I was just reiterating that it's a bank worker. Yeah, it's in the bank. Your brother work in I.T.? In the bank. He did okay. I don't think you worked for a bank. that's right. All right. Anyway, not that they're related, right? Like him in the. Yeah, that's that. That's mine. Okay. All right.
00:28:11:20 - 00:28:30:05
Kevin + Brandon
Brenda Linus. All right, It's my turn. Are you ready? I'm ready. This is a long one, so I'll try to go as as smoothly and as quick as I get. Okay? Because it's a good one. It's a bulky one. So what's your excuse me? What's the name of your murder? I'll say it, but I have a little, like, intro to it first.
00:28:30:14 - 00:28:54:28
Kevin + Brandon
just do your thing. Sorry. Okay. Okay. So on the night of August eight, 1973, the Houston Police Department responded to a distress call from a man frantically stating, Y'all, I partially want to say this in the Southern accent. Please, y'all better come here right now. I just killed a man because right for any of those really good, I could do a real good country accent.
00:28:54:28 - 00:29:16:26
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, I'll bet that was a gay country. Okay, well, this is a gay killer. So arriving at the scene in the quiet suburb of Pasadena, Texas, the police pulled up to see three teenagers sitting outside of a house with a 22 caliber pistol on the driveway nearby. Walking into the home, they find the body of Dean Carroll Coral.
00:29:16:28 - 00:29:52:28
Kevin + Brandon
Actually, I should probably check how we pronounce that. That's okay. Anyway, I think it's coral. Anyways, I might have a typo in here. I put it off. Anyways, walking into the home, they find the body of Dean Coral lying dead in the hallway, claimed self-defense. The police had no idea what nightmare they just walked into. So from this evening, a terrifying story started to unfold of the abduction, rape, torture and murder of at least 27 confirmed teenage boys starting as early as three years prior, known as Houston's Mass Murderers.
00:29:53:00 - 00:30:10:29
Kevin + Brandon
My next podcast episode is on The man with the nickname of the Candyman, Dean Arnold. Call it the Candyman. The Candyman. Any relation to the movie The Candyman? Is that a movie? It is a movie, but I don't think so. I think this is different. my God. I think I might be wrong. Although I haven't seen the movie.
00:30:11:01 - 00:30:36:21
Kevin + Brandon
Any really good intro? You're welcome to. All right. My best Dateline entrance. Low entrance in the country accent. Yes. Yes. Are you going to do the rest of this in the country? Y'all know. Okay. So I'm going to start by telling the back story about Dean and then going into the murder. So Dean was born on December 24th, 1939, in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and he grew up as just like any normal child.
00:30:36:24 - 00:30:57:29
Kevin + Brandon
He was classed as a shy kid, and it was rare that he would really socialize with others or other kids his age. So unlike many killers, there wasn't really anything out of the ordinary to his demeanor, although he was socially awkward. There was no reported traumatic experiences that would be caused of any concern. Like nobody thought, you just did that, that you might be a murderer.
00:30:57:29 - 00:31:13:16
Kevin + Brandon
You didn't. You just strangled a bunch of kittens. You might be a like nothing like that. Don't talk about kittens or anything. I'm sorry. I told you I used to be close about the cat. I threw over the fence and got eaten. Okay, well, I think you kind of have to, like, explain that. And then just preemptively say, no, I'm not a murderer.
00:31:13:16 - 00:31:29:22
Kevin + Brandon
Because a lot of murderers start with killing and they don't kill animals in general. But when I was little, I lived in Carl's was before I went to foster care. I lived in Carlsbad, New Mexico, in the trailer. And apparently there was this. It's half a because I do remember the act of doing it, but there was a cat that people everything and it was really annoying.
00:31:29:22 - 00:31:46:10
Kevin + Brandon
And I hated the cat. And so one day it was a Rottweiler that lived next to us that was aggressive and mean and like awful. And so one day I picked the cat up and just, like, pulled around my head and threw it over the fence and the dog ripped the fuck out of the cat, killed it. You were awful.
00:31:46:12 - 00:32:04:01
Kevin + Brandon
And I was like, Great. So chances are you could end up being good. Yeah, I'm not going to that. That sounds like you are. I'm sure you've got my in here for me for a few days. I know I probably shouldn't have chosen that one, but it's the first thing that came to my mind and I thought, well, it was the suggestion.
00:32:04:01 - 00:32:27:09
Kevin + Brandon
Anyway, I think the suggestion was like rolling pin, you know, was like, Rolling pin makes me think of killing me. Awful, awful, awful. Well, so unlike you, Dean never did anything like that. Wow. So maybe I'm not Okay, So it's not to say that he didn't have an interesting childhood. So born to Mary, Emma Robinson and Arnold, Edwin Coral.
00:32:27:11 - 00:32:45:05
Kevin + Brandon
They lived a pretty normal life. And although it's said that his father was a bit strict, there is no, like big reports of abuse. But the strictness paired with the constant fighting, led his parents to divorce when Dean was seven. So at the time of the divorce, Arnold was drafted into the US Air Force and was stationed in Memphis, Tennessee.
00:32:45:06 - 00:33:05:03
Kevin + Brandon
So Mary didn't want her children to not lose contact with their father, which is pretty awesome. So Mary Dean and his four year old brother Stanley, moved to a trailer near by the Air Force Base. Trailer, He moved to a trailer? Yeah. my God. Number one go to in my is are some reference. And I was just making a connection between me living in a trailer and him living it.
00:33:05:03 - 00:33:26:09
Kevin + Brandon
So that's the there is. okay. So you're finding connections with the spirit. Okay. God, that was a joke. So after four years of being divorced, his parents tried to smooth things over and get back together. So they ended up remarrying in 1950 and relocating to Pasadena, Texas. I think one big thing in the story is that Dean moved around a lot.
00:33:26:10 - 00:33:53:04
Kevin + Brandon
It might get a little bit confusing into some spots, but just to warn he moved a lot. Okay, So the second the honeymoon phase was over, which didn't last long in 1953, so just three years later, his parents decide to divorce again, which you divorce once. Maybe they went back together. But so following the divorce, Mary met a traveling clerk salesman named Jake West, and soon after they fell in love and got married.
00:33:53:04 - 00:34:20:20
Kevin + Brandon
Okay. Jake was. Jake was cool. Fucking right. Hey, I'm Jake West, right? okay. That could be someone. Stage name, too. my God. So in 1955, two years after Dean's mom divorced, her husband, Dean's dad, they had Dean stepsister, Joyce, who was born in the family. Once she was born, the family uprooted once more and move to a small town about an hour out of Houston called Vidor.
00:34:20:21 - 00:34:35:23
Kevin + Brandon
I think the idea is I do you know, if you don't, I'm looking into our podcast, but you're from Texas towns. Let's talk. All right. Like I hate when people do that with Connecticut and it's like this. I just fucking did it. And I'm like, no. And I'm like, you know, it's like when someone's like, Hey, I have a gay friend.
00:34:36:07 - 00:34:51:12
Kevin + Brandon
my call. Do you live in Alaska? Do you know us? And that happened. my God, I have a gay friend that lives in Alaska. Seems Chad, do you know him? No. I'm like, I've never been to Alaska. I just don't know. I'm sorry. Okay, so it's here where Mary and Jake decided to shift gears and open up a family candy shop.
00:34:51:19 - 00:35:19:25
Kevin + Brandon
So initially, starting in the garage of their home, everybody in the family was put to work. Mary managed the business. Jake was the salesman of the product, and Dean and his brother were tasked to running the candy, making machines and packaging the products every night as after they attended high school during the day. And so by the time Dean graduated high school in 1958, the business was doing well with most of their products being sold closer to Houston, the family again moved closer to Houston.
00:35:19:27 - 00:35:36:24
Kevin + Brandon
So this time they opened an actual candy shop and called it the Pelican Prints. We are named by 1960. Dean's grandmother became a widow, which I thought that was an interesting way to put it. It was every sources said she became a widow, so I'm assuming it wasn't to his grandfather. That's interesting. Right? So he wanted to be there for her son.
00:35:36:24 - 00:35:53:07
Kevin + Brandon
She was all alone in Indiana still, because they originally came from Indiana. He made statements to his family that he knew she would be needing help to going to church other places. So he moved up and got a job and he stayed up there for two years. So he would also send back money to his family in Texas to help them out.
00:35:53:14 - 00:36:13:17
Kevin + Brandon
At this point, he was actually pretty good. He was going to like help grandma. Yeah. Right now, throughout his high school years, in the years following, Dean was still known as a loner because he worked a lot. He wasn't ever really around. I have it here, although he worked a lot. He didn't make many connections with people. So with the occasional date with a girl here and there, he never really seemed too interested in women.
00:36:13:23 - 00:36:40:18
Kevin + Brandon
Well, but while he lived with his grandmother, it is reported that he did date local women. Woman He did date a local woman. And in 1962 she tried to propose to him, which he ended up at in 1962. Right? I thought that was interesting. 62. Yeah. That same year. And I wonder if it prompted him to move. He ended up moving back to Houston to help his family with their business, which had moved to the Houston Heights area, which is just outside of Houston.
00:36:40:18 - 00:37:02:21
Kevin + Brandon
So by 1963, Mary divorced Jake, leaving the business and starting her own candy business named Coral. His mom is. Yeah. So his mom ended up divorcing Jake, his stepdad, and they left the business, obviously, and they started she decided to start her own because they started it together. And it's called it was called the Coral Candy Company. So just like their past endeavor, it was a family business.
00:37:02:21 - 00:37:27:16
Kevin + Brandon
Dean was named as the vice president of the company, and Stanley, his brother, was appointed secretary and treasurer. During this time. The US was right in the middle of the Vietnam War and Dean ended being drafted. So being sent to the US Army. In 1964, Dean headed to Fort Polk, Louisiana for basic training, and then from there he jumped around from Fort Benning, Georgia, to Fort Hood, Texas, and was trained as a radio repairman.
00:37:27:21 - 00:37:49:09
Kevin + Brandon
But it was evident that Dean was not happy being in the military because he was gay. But it was reported throughout this time in the Army, his demeanor changed, becoming more hypersensitive and glum, which was such an interesting word. So ten months after he was drafted, Dean applied for a hardship discharge, stating he was needed at his family's business.
00:37:49:15 - 00:38:12:01
Kevin + Brandon
So with no marks on his name, the Army granted hitters his request, and he was honorably discharged on June 11th, 1965. Per my research, it was this time that his homosexuality started to come to light. It was reported that Dean divulged to some of his close acquaintances that he experienced his first homosexual encounters while he was enlisted because a lot of gay shit happening in the.
00:38:12:08 - 00:38:30:24
Kevin + Brandon
for sure. But but there's also like some bad cases happening. Like, sure, sure. People taking advantage and sexually assaulting. I can't remember the name right now, but the soldier's girl, I mean, because I've seen soldiers girl. God, it's very good listeners if you haven't seen so beautiful But it's very it's a very well done movie. Yeah. But it's basically about this kind of thing where this guy gets killed in.
00:38:30:26 - 00:38:49:18
Kevin + Brandon
I think he's in the Army, but it's based on a true story. It's based on a true story because he's dating a transgender woman. And at that meeting in the gay club with all of his Army people. Yeah, it's a it's fucked up. It's so good, though. Go watch it. Come from the Adams, the transgender woman, I think very much still prevalent today.
00:38:49:18 - 00:39:05:00
Kevin + Brandon
But yeah, it's. It's basically her story. Yeah. Yeah. So fucking good. Anyway, anyway. Yeah. So from my research, it was at this time that his homosexuality started to come to light, like I just said. So to me, my first thought is that something must have happened to him while he was in the army because when he got back, things started to change.
00:39:05:02 - 00:39:29:01
Kevin + Brandon
I feel like that's a very common thing. However, this wasn't the first time that something like weird happened in his past like this. So the year before he went to the Army, there was a report that one of the employees of the candy company complained to Dean's mom, Mary, that Dean made a sexual advance towards him. But Mary was a very big defender of her kids.
00:39:29:01 - 00:39:57:18
Kevin + Brandon
So she didn't believe it. And then she ended up firing the employee. So in hindsight, like, this was kind of foreshadowing, my God, that's awful. Yeah. So coming back from the Army, Dean Dean jumped right back into the working of the candy company, which is when he earned the name Candy Man, because the candy shop was across the street from Helms Elementary School, where Dean was a popular figure, and he would stand outside and hand free candy and all of the local children coining the term candy.
00:39:57:22 - 00:40:20:16
Kevin + Brandon
Absolutely. No, no, I know that that was a gross of a thing there. But I feel like if I were a parent with kids and there were some like random dude handing out candy in front of an elementary school, I would be like, No, no, no, no, something's up. So eventually the candy store became popular with teenage boys because of the school, the the Heights area, the Houston Heights area that they're in.
00:40:20:18 - 00:40:39:16
Kevin + Brandon
There's a lot of troubled teens that were in the area. Yeah. So the heights were full of runaways in troubled youth. And so Dean would employ these these teenage boys, but also hang out with them. It was also known that Dean installed a pool table. I'm sorry. I know it's. How old were you at this time? No grown men should be hanging out with teenage boys.
00:40:39:16 - 00:40:56:05
Kevin + Brandon
He was okay. He was born in 1939 and he died in 1973. I think that makes him like, what, 34? So it was he was in his early thirties. No, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. So it's fucking weird. It was known that Dean installed a pool table in the back of the shop so these boys could all hang out all day.
00:40:56:07 - 00:41:30:11
Kevin + Brandon
And then Dean would befriend these kids and show them attention. And it was reported that he would have a flirtatious demeanor with the teens, right? Yeah. So in 19 seven, Dean was introduced to 12 year old David Brooks, intrigued by the free candy and the kind's nature of Dean. David started to frequent the candy shop. Dean later said that throughout his childhood I was not going to get through one episode without stopping to look at his childhood.
00:41:30:14 - 00:41:50:08
Kevin + Brandon
He was constantly ridiculed. God, for that I'm ridiculed. So it just makes me so uncomfortable that I guess it's so cute. These are the reasons I love you so much. so fucking cute. Yeah. This is also why I hated, like, speaking in, like, school, reading from a book in with of I don't know where in reading it.
00:41:50:09 - 00:42:12:19
Kevin + Brandon
He didn't think anyone that. Right. Okay. So was ridiculed. Yes, he was ridiculed for wearing glasses. Kids his age never seemed to be nice and Dean never made him feel bad about himself and never mocked his appearance, which I thought was interesting because it goes into what I'm going to go into next, which is Dean slowly grooming David.
00:42:12:26 - 00:42:34:14
Kevin + Brandon
So over time, Dean started to become a father figure to David. He would give him cash when David asked, also a company dean among business trips to South Texas, it was at this time that the grooming started way as well. The little the boys are. I'm sorry, David. David would accompany Dean to trips to south south Texas and his parents let that happen.
00:42:34:16 - 00:42:54:17
Kevin + Brandon
Well, his parents were divorced. I'll get to it in just a little. Okay. Okay. So it was at this time that Dean was grooming David and building trust with the team. And by the time David was 14, Dean was starting to abuse David sexually. He would bribe him with gifts and money so that he would perform fellatio on David's.
00:42:54:19 - 00:43:20:19
Kevin + Brandon
And then I have a note in here. GROSS. GROSS. My note notice gross is gross. So by 1968, just five years after starting the candy business, Mary Dean's mother closed the business and decided to move to Colorado with Dean's sister, Joyce. With his experience in the Army as a radio repairman, Dean took a job as an electrician with Houston lighting and power and stayed in the Houston area in the following years.
00:43:20:19 - 00:43:46:02
Kevin + Brandon
David moved back and forth between. So David, the 14 year old, moved back and forth between his divorced parents homes in Beaumont, in Houston, Texas. David eventually dropped out of high school and his 15 and moved in with his mother in Beaumont, visiting his father in Houston. Quite often he would also visit Dean, and he eventually moved back to Houston in 1970, where he would often talk about Dean's place as his second home.
00:43:46:04 - 00:44:07:25
Kevin + Brandon
So, well, it just they gets so fucked up. So now my next sentence of this is now this is where things started to change. Indeed, Dean started to expand on his behavior. So in 1970, So up to this point, he was just really kind of molesting kids. Yeah. Yeah. From what we know, it was definitely happening to David.
00:44:07:28 - 00:44:28:15
Kevin + Brandon
So in 1978, 18 year college student Jeffrey Cohen was hitchhiking from college from the University of Texas in Austin to visit his family in Houston. The last time he was seen, he was dropped off by the last person he hitchhiked with, which was dropped off at the uptown area of Houston. I mean, it was said that Jeffrey was the one who picked up Dean.
00:44:28:17 - 00:44:52:11
Kevin + Brandon
I'm sorry. Dean picked up Jeffrey Yes, that Jeffrey was picked up by Dean, who said he would bring him to where he needed to go. Jeffrey was never arrived at his final destination and is now known to be the first victim of the Candyman. So of Dean, Two months later, in November of 1970, Dean struck again and abducted two additional teenage boys.
00:44:52:13 - 00:45:17:15
Kevin + Brandon
Now, as I previously mentioned, David considered Dean's house his own. So it wasn't uncommon for David to just show up at his house the same day David happened to walk in in the home and see two teens strapped to a Ford poster bed. And Dean was sexually assaulting them. Yeah. Yeah. Was where the grooming can really, like take somebody in ways that they probably would never have, where they would never have.
00:45:17:15 - 00:45:36:00
Kevin + Brandon
Let's also make a really clear distinction because of our political environment, that this is a very specific, 100 grooming and murderous ways and whatever. Yes, thank you for that. I didn't even think not related to what all these fucking conservative people are saying that LGBTQ community are currently doing to kids because it's inaccurate. I just want to throw that out there.
00:45:36:00 - 00:45:56:04
Kevin + Brandon
That's 100%. Okay, Well, I was going to draw the parallel between the candy and the Bibles outside of schools. Like you were saying, if somebody was handing out candy outside of school, you would be so weirded out and grossed out for sure. There were grown men in Texas like standing there as we arrived at school handing out little mini Bibles.
00:45:56:12 - 00:46:26:21
Kevin + Brandon
And I'm like, God, yeah. Those people are just as easily one person I was going to. And we'll probably lose some followers and they probably would be following two gay men anyway. But I feel like I think that given it's episode three, we shouldn't be losing followers yet. Or we may. But I think that grooming actually equates to religion, and I think that that's truly what it is, which is why I think that it is all the conservative people, mostly evangelical Christians, who are saying that LGBTQ people are grooming because they are protecting, because they're the ones that do it.
00:46:26:21 - 00:46:46:12
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. So yeah, yeah. It was interesting because I didn't even think about that every time that I read and I was typing the word grooming, I was thinking of just like men grooming anybody. So like this happens with with women who get who get sent in the sex trade and all of that. Like they they're they're just people being groomed into doing things.
00:46:46:12 - 00:47:02:24
Kevin + Brandon
There's a lot of women normal the average. Yeah, for sure. But I wanted to make that because you know some other fucker is going to come on here and be like, see they and I'm going to be like, Go fuck yourself. Yeah. No, anyway, okay, keep going. The thinking on his feet, Dean made up a story about pee, about being like.
00:47:02:27 - 00:47:26:07
Kevin + Brandon
So I get to. But anyways, this is actually kind of funny because it actually goes into what I was just saying to say. Okay. Thinking on his feet, Dean made up a story about being part of a pornographic sex ring, and he wanted to make sure that David wouldn't tell anybody what he saw. He offered to buy David a car for his silence, and Dean did just that, buying him a green 1969 Chevy Corvette.
00:47:26:10 - 00:47:53:12
Kevin + Brandon
It's so interesting that he didn't just get him and kill him. I mean, I don't know if this goes, but it's because that that he obviously had some kind of reaction, some thought. So he yeah he Dean like David and they had something right that just gets weirder so seeing how David reacted Dean very soon after, eventually confided in David and let him know that there was no sex ring.
00:47:53:12 - 00:48:19:16
Kevin + Brandon
And then he actually killed those two boys, which I can't find the names of those two alleged boys at all. They're nowhere accounted for in the 27 victims. Whose account is this? Is this David's account? This is David's account. Okay. Because Dean was dead. okay. Dean then offered David a job after this. So, again, grooming Dean's desire to kill were ever so present.
00:48:19:17 - 00:48:42:14
Kevin + Brandon
He offered David $200 for every boy he could bring to Dean's apartment. Now, 200 does not seem like a lot of money, but in the seventies, it's. It's about 1500 dollars per person offered. Okay. But this is really interesting because think of Jeffrey Epstein, right? Yeah. They started recruiting women to get more women. And that's what they were doing.
00:48:42:14 - 00:49:04:08
Kevin + Brandon
That's the grooming process. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Like being a 15 year old college dropout. David was like, okay, I'm here for it. And so they ended up being business partners. So the murders, David knew that these these kids were getting killed. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck her. So far. So far from what I know, three people. It's alleged that three people were killed.
00:49:04:11 - 00:49:25:26
Kevin + Brandon
One of them is considered one of the 27. So up to this point, we only know of one confirmed killing the murders from here. We're pretty systematic. Already known for being the Candyman. David would lure boys who knew them into his car. They either knew David or they knew Dean, so they would lure him into his brand new car that he was purchased.
00:49:25:26 - 00:49:51:21
Kevin + Brandon
But they were told that they would go to Dean's apartment to party. So once the teens got to the house, Dean would offer them glue or pizza, half alcohol and other drugs like weed and anything else that they might have. So the goal was to get them so fucked up that they would pass out. If they didn't, they would try to trick the teens into putting on handcuffs or just grabbing them and putting them on by force.
00:49:51:23 - 00:50:16:16
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. So basically they'd throttle them, the teens fucking throttle, and the teens would then be stripped naked and Dean would affix them to what he called a torture board, which was basically an eight foot by two foot piece of plywood with holes drilled on either on every corner in Dean would then handcuff the teens, hands through the top hole and try to bind their feet with nylon rope to the bottom holes.
00:50:16:19 - 00:50:39:06
Kevin + Brandon
And then the kids would be beaten and sexually abused. And sometimes left there for days before eventually being killed by strangulation or getting shot with a 22 caliber pistol. This is fucked up. Yeah. it's super fucked up. So the partnership started on December 30th. Part of the partnership. Did they establish their partners? I mean, they basically were partners.
00:50:39:06 - 00:50:59:07
Kevin + Brandon
They were seasoned. They went into this together. So James Glass and Danny Yates were at a religious rally in the Spring Branch neighborhood of Houston, a religious rally. So James, being a friend of David and he was also familiar with Dean, didn't question it when David asked them to go to Dean's house. James and Danny were the first victims of the pairing.
00:50:59:14 - 00:51:19:04
Kevin + Brandon
And it worked just as Dean thought it would. So six weeks later, the Waldrop Brothers, Donald and Jerry were talking to their parents were were walking to their parent's home, and Dean and David happened to be walking past them and engaged in conversation. So again, with the promise of a good time, they followed Dean to his apartment where they were raped and strangled.
00:51:19:07 - 00:51:43:13
Kevin + Brandon
Over the next few months, the murders started to rack up. There was just a quick question. So at this point where they both actually murdering. Yes, yes and no, I think there was I think there was some that David was a part of and some that he just lured people there. But from right from up until now, David is actively helping Dean bring people to his home to do this.
00:51:43:15 - 00:52:03:13
Kevin + Brandon
So to drug them, to get them fucked up enough to pass out to them rape. Wow. Yeah. Over the next few months, the murders started to rack up. So there were 15 year old Randall Harvey, 13 year old David Hill guest Hill guest, a 16 year old Gregory Morley Winkle, and then 17 year old Ruben Walford Watson Yeah.
00:52:03:13 - 00:52:29:04
Kevin + Brandon
So by the winter of 1971, Dean had killed 11 boys that we know of, and there was no plan to stop this one. David brings Dean, 15 year old Elmer Wayne Henley over to party now for some reason, this time was different. This time Dean did not kill Elmer. Instead, Dean started to groom Elmer as well. So just like he did with David, he eventually struck the same deal with Elmer as he did with Damien.
00:52:29:06 - 00:52:49:06
Kevin + Brandon
So it was like Dean was kind of trying to start his own murder pyramid scheme. So, like the Mary Kay of murderers. my God, There are probably some Mary Kay murderers. We should look into that. Right, Colt? my God. So this time was was it's already a little bit different than his last murders, but this one is a little bit different then with David, too.
00:52:49:06 - 00:53:12:20
Kevin + Brandon
So Dean tried to stick with the whole sex ring story, and Elmer didn't actually know his true motives for a little bit. Elmer didn't engage with the offer, but spending more time with Dean and David, he started to trust them a little bit more and decided to accept the offer in early 1972. So at the time, Elmer, his family was struggling and they thought that getting that much money would that it just really enticed him.
00:53:12:20 - 00:53:35:15
Kevin + Brandon
So in late February of 1972, Elmer lured a boy from the Heights with the promise of smoking weed to Dean's home. So prior to the abduction, Dean and Elmer devised a plan that they would dupe the teen into putting on handcuffs by also handcuffing Elmer. So to get him to go handcuffs on, like for whatever they were doing, I don't I didn't get too much details on this.
00:53:35:15 - 00:53:57:16
Kevin + Brandon
But what the other teen didn't know was that Elmer had the keys to the hand, to the handcuffs in his back pocket to free himself. So once Elmer saw Dean bound and gagged the teen, Elmer left the house and never saw what happened to him. And in my research, I also find the name of this teen. This teen is also not included in the 27 confirmed, but Elmer at the time didn't know that he was killing them.
00:53:57:16 - 00:54:14:14
Kevin + Brandon
He didn't know. So at this time he thought he was breaking them. If he actually thought that his this friend or this person that he's bringing would more than likely be sold in like the sex trade. Sure. So I do think that it's worth noting a couple of lessons here already. If somebody sticks you well, more than that.
00:54:14:14 - 00:54:33:29
Kevin + Brandon
But if somebody asks you to handcuff yourself, say, no, no, it's consensual. Believe me, I would still say no. And you never know. And then the other one is that if some adult is telling you teen that they want to invite you over for a good time, also say no. Yeah, yeah. All right. Don't take candy from strangers.
00:54:33:29 - 00:55:00:25
Kevin + Brandon
That's another one. So do then. On March 24th, Dean, Dave and Elmer stumbled upon one of Elmer's friends, 18 year old Frank Acquire. I think, as I said, as he was leaving the restaurant that he worked up with the disguise of smoking weed, Frank went to Dean's home to party, and so as they sat and hung out, Frank noticed a pair of handcuffs on the table just sitting in front of them, and he decided to pick them up to examine them.
00:55:01:01 - 00:55:18:23
Kevin + Brandon
And Dean jumped on. Frank pushed him to the table and quickly cuffed his hands behind his back in front of David, which David already knows what's happening. And then in front of Elmer, this time, Elmer begged for Dean to stop because this was actually like a good friend of Elmer. After Frank was bound and gagged, Dean refused to stop.
00:55:18:25 - 00:55:43:05
Kevin + Brandon
And this is when Dean told Elmer about his actual motives. And he told Elmer that what what he did with the other teen in that his intention was also to kill Frank. so Elmer eventually backed off, and I assume out of the severe grooming, he ended up helping to dispose the body with Dean and David. So his friend, eventually he ended up just being like, okay, okay, I'll help you.
00:55:43:07 - 00:56:06:10
Kevin + Brandon
Let's get rid of Frank. From there. The killings just continued and I have a list. So there was 17 year old Mark Scott, 17 year old Billy Bob Bock, but by ULC Ho received a blow in bulk. Yeah. 17 year old Johnny Dell Dallam, 17 year old Steven Sigmund, 19 year old Roy Button, 13 year old Richard Hembree, 15 year old Wally J.
00:56:06:13 - 00:56:31:08
Kevin + Brandon
Simon X, somebody I don't know how to pronounce that either. Apologies. 18 year old William Willard Branch, 19 year old Richard Kepner, 17 year old Joseph lies. So throughout the murders, Elmer's demeanor started to shift. It was said that he ended up becoming pretty sadistic and that he became fascinated with how much stamina that people have. my Lord, I.
00:56:31:13 - 00:57:01:02
Kevin + Brandon
That's terrifying. No, ma'am. Right. Coming to February of 1973, the abductions took a brief pause. So dealing with a condition called Hydro Slim, I had a drizzly. It's a I'll just I'll just spell it. It's hydr0cle, which is interesting. It's an accumulation of serious fluids in a body cavity with the most common being fluid around of the testicle wound.
00:57:01:05 - 00:57:26:08
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, that was just like, thrown in there. It's just a normal accumulation of this is like, it's just like something. Just like conditions. it's a medical condition. Okay. And I have to say it was I won't say any more for whoever is not watching us. It just carried a do an exchange of the facial expressions. He went to go say something that I was going to tell him, No, don't smile, Let's do it.
00:57:26:08 - 00:57:51:05
Kevin + Brandon
I was like, What did I do? You know? He touched my head and he put it tell you to, I'll do it. We go to do it. Okay. We'll just say somebody, you know, somebody I know. You don't have to say how you know I won't was well was dating a man at the time that had a condition where his balls would fill up with fluid and they would have to drain it.
00:57:51:08 - 00:58:09:07
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. But the best part of the story is the ask how you doing it? But then I was like, you know, I actually don't. I don't. I didn't ask. I was like, my God, Yeah. I don't know. We should have asked. I know, like the little syringe. I think they probably told us at the time, but I don't remember.
00:58:09:07 - 00:58:36:03
Kevin + Brandon
But I remember being like some of it. This is a very interesting conversation to have right now. It was really a bizarre one. Yeah. And I was like, Wow, So maybe this is the same condition. Sure. Okay. This took dinner out for for a little bit. So there was a gap in any murders for this time period. So by June 4th, Dean was active again, killing 15 year old William Rae Lawrence after three days of torture and abuse.
00:58:36:03 - 00:59:05:22
Kevin + Brandon
So he tortured him for three days and then killed. So following William, there was 20 or 20 year old Raymond Stanley Blackburn, 15 year old Homer Lewis Garcia, 17 year old John Sellers, 15 year old Michael Bloor, I think the brother of Billy who was killed the year prior. Yeah. So of course, it's the one name that I'm going to mess up is the one that his brother was killed a year previously from him and now Michael was killed as well.
00:59:05:25 - 00:59:35:10
Kevin + Brandon
17 year old Charles Kabul in 18 year old Marty Ray Jones. And then finally, the last murder of 13 year old James and Jamila. Jamila, I names are hard on August 3rd, 1973. Jesus. So now comes the final day of Dean KORRELL. So as previously stated, was on August 8th that he was shot and killed. But how? Who were we shot and killed?
00:59:35:10 - 01:00:00:00
Kevin + Brandon
Dean was shot and killed. So beginning of the story, top of the story. Sure, sure. Yeah, that was Dean. It's a body that they found with three kids. I reread this. I did it. Really? For y'all. But I thought about, Hey, y'all, y'all better come here right now. I just killed a man. So the police arrived to a house and they saw the body of Dean lying in the hallway dead, claimed self-defense.
01:00:00:00 - 01:00:18:12
Kevin + Brandon
The police had no idea what a nightmare. Whatever was. Whatever. So it was Dean's body that was in, but somebody's hallway said, Hey, y'all, I'm the one that goes, Yeah. So there was three teen teenagers that were sitting at the house with the pistol on the ground. I haven't gotten to who, what, when, where? well, when, what, when, where?
01:00:18:15 - 01:00:40:29
Kevin + Brandon
Okay, let me just scroll back down to my no summary. On the evening of the seventh August 7th, Elmer brought over 20 year old Timothy Cordell Turtle to party at Dean's home. This part, I felt, was a little bit interesting. So after some time huffing paint fumes and drinking, that's not the weird part, But it is where Elmer and Timothy decided to leave the house for some reason.
01:00:41:01 - 01:01:01:16
Kevin + Brandon
But Elmer promised to come back, which I thought was really interesting, that they were allowed to leave. And at some point while they were gone, they stopped by Elmer's House and they heard a commotion coming from the house across the street. And the commotion was from Elmer's neighbor, a 15 year old friend, Rhonda Louise Williams. She was just beaten by her father.
01:01:01:23 - 01:01:25:27
Kevin + Brandon
And Elmer offered her a place to go to get out, which was Dean's house. no. Yeah, but she was she was a girl. She was a girl. So at 3 a.m. on August 8th, they all went to Dean's house to party. When they returned, Dean was not happy at all. He pulled Elmer aside and told him he ruined everything because he brought a girl back with him.
01:01:26:03 - 01:01:47:08
Kevin + Brandon
So Elmer told him about what happened with her father, and Dean seemed to come down After a little bit. The party went on and just a few hours later, all three kids ended up passing out after their night of huffing paint fumes and smoking weed and then waking up. Sometime later, Elmer found himself on his stomach and Dean was putting handcuffs on his wrists.
01:01:47:10 - 01:02:11:23
Kevin + Brandon
His mouth was taped set and his ankles were bound together. Looking around, he sees Timothy and Rhonda tied up on the ground beside him, still unconscious and passed out. Once Dean noticed that Elmer was awake, he took the tape off of his mouth and Elmer begged for him to stop. But Dean reiterated how angry he was. It's even noted that he said, Ben, you blew it, bringing that girl in.
01:02:11:23 - 01:02:35:24
Kevin + Brandon
I'm going to kill you all. But first I'm going to have my fun. So after about 30 minutes of pleading, Elmer calmed down enough to persuade Dean to let him go. So he promised that he would help him with the torture and murder of the other two if he would just untie him. And then Dean ended up untying him and they strapped two others to the torture board together.
01:02:35:27 - 01:02:57:01
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. So once tied down, Dean handed Elmer a hunting knife, ordering him to cut away Rhonda's clothes. Indeed, Dean told him that while he rapes and kills Timothy, that Elmer needed to do the same to Rhonda. So at this point, Timothy Timothy's run started to wake up and they started to cause a commotion. And there was even a report that Rhonda asked, Elmer, is this for real?
01:02:57:01 - 01:03:19:01
Kevin + Brandon
Where he answered just a short yes. She then asked him, Are you going to do anything about it? And something here must have really shifted with Elmer. So he asked if he could bring Rhonda to a different room and Dean ignored him. So in his response, Elmer looked on the table and saw the 22 caliber pistol and shouted, You've gone far enough, Dean.
01:03:19:01 - 01:03:39:06
Kevin + Brandon
I can't go any longer. I can't have you kill all of my friends. my God. Yeah. So after a bit of yelling back and forth where Dean was like, Do it, do it, kill me, whatever Dean advanced onto Elmer, which Elmer ended up pulling the trigger and shooting Dean right in the forehead. Which the. I wish I kept the note or what exactly.
01:03:39:06 - 01:03:55:26
Kevin + Brandon
So but basically it didn't kill Dean. It didn't really, like, penetrate his forehead very deep. I think that's what it said. I don't have the note, so I'm kind of annoyed that in particular. But Elmer then ended up shooting Dean two more times in the left shoulder as Dean was still coming at him. So at this point, Dean was still alive.
01:03:55:26 - 01:04:18:04
Kevin + Brandon
So he stumbled into the hallway where Elmer shot Dean three additional times in his back, and then Dean fell to the floor and died on the hallway. So then Elmer untied the others, and then the police arrived and they found all three of them in front of the house that day. So when when questioned, Elmer told them everything.
01:04:18:04 - 01:04:35:22
Kevin + Brandon
He explained the previous three years and told them about everything he knew and that he admitted to helping with nine murders. So at first the police didn't believe him because they were all high and drugged out and they were also like, What the fuck is happening? But once he started naming the victims, the police started to believe it.
01:04:35:26 - 01:05:06:13
Kevin + Brandon
So the police later found all 27 confirmed bodies in various various places. Well, three places, be specific. There was a rented boat, boat shed. And then there others were buried at Lake Sam Rayburn and Highlands Beach in Texas. So in the rented boat house, the police ended up finding a half stripped, stolen car, a child's bike, a large iron drum, two stacks of lime and a large plastic bag full of teenage boy clothing.
01:05:06:16 - 01:05:25:13
Kevin + Brandon
And then eventually they ended up finding multiple bodies wrapped in thick, clear plastic, which they ended up finding the bodies at the lake and the beach as well. All of the bodies had signs of sexual assault and this might get a little bit rough. It's quick, though, but all of the bodies had signs of sexual assault. They were strangled or shot.
01:05:25:19 - 01:05:48:20
Kevin + Brandon
Their pubic hairs were pulled out. Their genitals had bite marks on them. Objects were placed in their rectums, Glass rods were inserted into their urethra and smashed mouths were taped and gagged and all. Had they all had wounds all over their bodies. So on the evening of I'm. I know it's hard going. That one's rough. That was I almost put that in.
01:05:48:20 - 01:06:05:15
Kevin + Brandon
But I'm like, this is it's part of it. So on the evening of August 8th, David went to the police station giving a statement that he was not a part of the murders, but that he knew Dean killed and raped two people by August 9th. I think David just knew that there there was no way of getting out of it.
01:06:05:15 - 01:06:34:25
Kevin + Brandon
So he confessed to being present at several killings and assisted in several burial burials. Burials, say David got charged for the death of one person. When you have an Elmer got convicted of the nine because he admitted to it. So to this day, Elmer is currently 67 years old and still in prison in Texas, and David died in prison at the age of 65 in 2020 due to the one of the only good things COVID ever took was his life.
01:06:34:28 - 01:06:52:05
Kevin + Brandon
So he died due to COVID related symptoms. I have a few facts in here which I thought were a little interesting. So what fact? One Dean jumped around two different homes throughout the murders, specifically throughout the murders itself, just so that it would be harder for him to found. Well, he was also he had a child sort of moving around.
01:06:52:05 - 01:07:12:22
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah. Somebody that experienced that. The feeling of moving always is in something Elmer mentioned after the killing that he believed Dean would have been proud of him for how he handled the confrontation and said that Dean had been training him to react quickly and forcefully. And this was exactly what he was. He basically what he would have wanted to be done.
01:07:12:29 - 01:07:31:17
Kevin + Brandon
So he was like, Yeah, he would have been happy for me. How Elmer killed him. Yeah, that Dean would have been excited because it was torturous. The parents of the victims were really critical on the police because although that was a bunch of runaway kids in the area, many of these parents were not parents of runaways. They were like, my kid would not run away.
01:07:31:17 - 01:07:57:05
Kevin + Brandon
So they thought the police were very dismissive in that they could have seen the pattern in the murders. Yeah, but because the area had a lot of runaways, the police basically just said, your kid just ran away. The police were just Yeah, not were. So and then the last one is that Dean would sometimes make the kids contact their parents either by phone or by writing letters so that the parents wouldn't get worried that they were gone.
01:07:57:05 - 01:08:19:04
Kevin + Brandon
So he would have them call and say or write a letter saying I got a job making $3 an hour in Houston. I'm going to take the job and I'm not coming back. Basically. Jesus, Dean, you fucker fucking Dean. So yeah, that's the story of Randy the man. Wow. And now as I'm writing it, I'm like, I have nine pages worth of that was really intense.
01:08:19:07 - 01:08:56:18
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, I mean, that's fucked up, right? 27 young children. Only one of them was 20. All of them were in their teens. The youngest, I think, was 13. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that one was dark. It was right. Well, thank you. I guess. You're welcome. Jesus Christ. God, what a very interesting difference between mine and yours. Well, and it's funny, though, because as we were trying to look into our murders, a lot of the queer killers that we found, they really only focus on the serial killers.
01:08:56:18 - 01:09:18:13
Kevin + Brandon
So Kevin had a hard time finding one that it was just like it was like, I don't want to say a serial killer. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. Then the only gay killers you could really find happen to be a serial killer, which there's not a ton. I mean, yeah, I'm general, but it's so interesting. And this is how fucked up the world is when you go to look up queer killers or what comes up as queer people being killed.
01:09:18:18 - 01:09:46:23
Kevin + Brandon
Yeah, you know, v a hate crimes and whatever. And it's really unfortunate. And we'll cover some of those for. Sure. Because we'll cover everything. But yeah, yeah, it's a very interesting world, so that was fucked up. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah. Wow. So. So our next episode. Yes. Episode four. What are we featuring? Do you remember we talked about now we are going to be featuring murders where somebody convicted with no body.
01:09:47:10 - 01:10:06:21
Kevin + Brandon
yeah. No body. Murders. No body. Yes. And my. that's right. Yes. And minds of recent recently solved case. Yeah. That's all I know about it. I, I know which one you're doing but I don't do any, don't know anything about it. Well don't. Yeah it'll be really interesting. But Brandon we also have something fun because now we're officially launched.
01:10:06:23 - 01:10:29:08
Kevin + Brandon
Yes. And people can go to our website and what can they do? we have some homicide swag. Well, we'll have more throughout the weeks that will be rockin. And they just haven't arrived yet. But that's pretty cool. The club is pretty fucking cool. So if you want any swag, you can go and get it. And eventually we'll do like a lot more fun stuff.
01:10:29:12 - 01:10:42:12
Kevin + Brandon
Or if you want to write us, we have a contact form. If you want to tell us some stories, if you have any ideas of any murders you like to see, yeah, If you want to hear something covered that hasn't either been covered or maybe another podcast set up, it didn't expand as much right in. Let us know.
01:10:42:12 - 01:11:02:14
Kevin + Brandon
We would love to hear from you again if you send us some bullshit, we're going to call you out on it. Let's do it. Yeah, and then. And don't forget to subscribe. Yep. Follow us on our channels. Follow us. Download. What else do we need? And for people to to rate and comment and review. Share the episode. Did you say that already?
01:11:02:20 - 01:11:24:07
Kevin + Brandon
Nope. Yeah. Do that. Share it on socials. Let's do that. Shared on social media. Tell your friends. Tell all your friends and followers on TikTok. Yeah, we're going to put fun stuff up there or we already have. I mean, we think it's certainly the 200 views are getting. They all think it's fun to. This is very true. All right, friends.
01:11:24:07 - 01:11:49:10
Kevin + Brandon
Well, let's do a little a little sparkly outro. Maybe I can do that this time. I would love if you would learn how to, like, sing that excuse to one thing that you just ruined it. We're going to say by one more time. Okay. Sorry, Brendon. You need to do it with me though. Already. It's like this. You have to do it by.