No Body Convictions

Episode 4

Isn't a body like...the MOST important thing in a murder mystery!? Well, yes honey, of course! But today's true crime murders are among the unicorn convictions that happened with no body in sight. And i'm sure you can imagine that if no body is ever found...it's usually for pretty gruesome reasons.

So again... TRIGGER WARNING: child abuse, sexual assault, rape, cannibalism!? Truly some true crime stomach twisting stuff we're diving into today, so please take care of yourself!

Brandon is starting us off with a haunting little true crime cheating scandal that ends in blood. And...fingernails sent through a wood chipper? This is the murder of Helle Crafts, wife of Richard Crafts. You would think the flight attendant married to a pilot would be the perfect love story, right? Wrong. Tune in to today's podcast to learn what the hell a wood chipper has to do with any of this.

And Kevin is taking us down the absolutely demented rabbit hole of Albert Fish. He was a man of many names - The Werewolf of Wisteria, The Gray Man, The Brooklyn Vampire, and you'll learn why by the end of this podcast episode. People have to cope with the awful, disgusting things this man did by distancing him to the supernatural. Albert is gross as hell. This man takes sadomasochism to a truly disturbing place. This man started with eating his own poop before moving on to eating people.

It get's dark so be prepared - but who better to go through the darkness with than two gay guys that definitely won't be protecting YOU! As always, if you're thankful to finally have a gay perspective on true crime, don't forget to rate and review the show on both Apple + Spotify. Also, share it with your friends because otherwise, you are a loser! BYEEE!

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Kevin + Brandon

Welcome to Homicide, The podcast. I'm Kevin. And I'm Brandon. And welcome to episode Thrice three for episode four. fucker. I know this isn't episode three. It's not. It's episode four. I feel like we're two. We're not early into our podcast for you to not realize what episode where you know, it's why it's because I'm taking the notes from the previous episode and just copying the Google document and I changed the the title.

00:00:34:06 - 00:00:56:19

Kevin + Brandon

So would you like to see what this episode is? Brant Yeah. So this is episode four. Think of Homicide, the Puck and where we are. I was I was going to continue so let me. But today's episode is on murders with no bodies, no body convictions. Crazy. How can you murder somebody that doesn't have a body? I know.

00:00:56:19 - 00:01:20:29

Kevin + Brandon

That's the question. I'm excited for this little episode. So, Brendan, first off. Hello, Brendan and hello, Anna. Hello, Producer who you just heard. We love her. It was also her birthday. It was Happy. Happy birthday to you. For myself. For birthday. Yes. It was fun. And we're missing Ethan today. He is traveling the world in Mexico City. Hi, Ethan.

00:01:21:01 - 00:01:48:01

Kevin + Brandon

Fun, but also no. Buy them. No, no. How dare you. He will be back in and grace you with his voice. And this. Hello camera talents when he returns. Yep. Anyway, super excited about our stuff today. But, Brandon, how was your week? It was typical. Great speaking. Anything happened this week that I'm. I'm like, sitting here and I'm like, I don't know what happened this week.

00:01:48:03 - 00:02:05:18

Kevin + Brandon

It's a busy week. Anna. What's your see? The thing that's hard is that I know everything that's happened with you and you know everything that's happened with me, but I don't always pay attention. So it's still kind of true. Yeah, but it's nice to have a third. Yeah, it is. I can tell you this. We have officially launched the podcast and we have a lot of really great interest.

00:02:05:18 - 00:02:22:15

Kevin + Brandon

We have some asked you, you've done some really great reviews coming through. Granted, we know a lot of them, but it's exciting to see the ones that we don't know to be like, wait, no, it's real. We're people I know, some people like and people that Can I be on your podcast? I'm like, Yes, what are they going to do?

00:02:22:17 - 00:02:38:18

Kevin + Brandon

We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. But we will have guests at some point, which I'm really excited about. But we also have missed cookies and Martina Reid of Tequila. Marty So our cat and Marty, our dog are also gracing us with their presence. I mean, they always will be. Yeah. So and a do we skip over your week?

00:02:38:18 - 00:03:00:14

Kevin + Brandon

How was your week? It was good. My birthday was yesterday. I was a little bit hung over for it. Yeah, that's all right. Well, that was silly goose of me, really, to bring in the New Year. Yeah, absolutely. 26. That's how you do it. It is. I, I love that your birthday reminds me of improv today where I told the story of being carried out of the dance club naked, like, Gosh, so.

00:03:00:19 - 00:03:19:23

Kevin + Brandon

I thought. I thought Marty was your cat. no. I think your cat looks like. Okay, come here. Right here, honey. Come on. Come here. She's such a bitch. Come here. She might know nobody. Literally no one listening to this can see her. Like, what the hell are that? I'll describe her. She's on her artistic carpet. She's looking at us.

00:03:19:23 - 00:03:46:11

Kevin + Brandon

She's ready, she's willing, she's crossed, she's contemplating, She's looking. She's. She's like, Is this the right idea? Yeah. She's like, No, fuck you. I'm going to sit here and stare at you. Yeah. Anyway, okay, so weeks were great. We're going to dive in to our Nobody conviction episode is. Yeah, episode is. I don't know, Brendan. I think you get to go first today to tell us about your story.

00:03:46:12 - 00:04:04:21

Kevin + Brandon

I do. And Brendan's been on a trend of, like, fucked up stories, so I know. And yeah, and I actually think yours is probably going to be a little bit more fucked up than mine from what you've said is the, the, the weird thing about this is, like I said, Kevin, I kind of like know what's happening with each other all the time because obviously we're married, we're together all the time.

00:04:04:21 - 00:04:22:29

Kevin + Brandon

We work together, we do this together. It's just all the time. Yeah, Yeah. But this is the one thing that we have that we tell each other that we're not going to talk about. And that's. I have a hard time not being like Kevin. You need to hear this, right? So I'm excited for it. Cool. Can you tell us real quick, I want to do a before we dive in.

00:04:22:29 - 00:04:41:02

Kevin + Brandon

I want to do a little shout out because we have some people that are purchasing some swag. I know if you're not haven't been on our website, we have swag, which is exciting. So I just want to give a little shout out to one of my sister's, Brianne who jumped on and the girl and purchased some swag. She's always been so supportive of us.

00:04:41:02 - 00:05:09:17

Kevin + Brandon

She's lovely. Anyway, Homicide, I'm sporting our hat. It's the dad hats because we like a good daddy. And Brandon has a cup, which is a cup. So. Wow, you are a great salesman. okay, Vanna So you got the whole van sales. I guess she's more just like Vanna White. Jeopardy! Jeff Anyway, yeah, I don't know. So, anyway, you are precious.

00:05:09:17 - 00:05:37:29

Kevin + Brandon

Okay, let's get your product glasses and let's dive in. Party glasses. Prada, Prada class. Okay. Anyways, okay, So are you ready for my first my first episode, People ready for my story a week? Yes, we're ready. Okay, cool. Anyway, okay, so my story is on the murder of Helen Neilson. Hello, Helen Neilson. Well, Helen Crafts. Ella Crafts like her name is Helen.

00:05:38:01 - 00:05:59:26

Kevin + Brandon

Okay, now you're making me question it. I think it might be healthy because it's early. It's not a healthy. Hold on. Let's get here. I'll put my microphone to it. I love crafts, Helen. Crafts. Crafts. It's Ella Crouse. Hello. All right. A bit true, but it is spelt Lily. She is Helen fun or was? No, she's probably, but that's all right.

00:06:00:00 - 00:06:25:19

Kevin + Brandon

Okay. So Helen Nielsen and Richard Crafts met on May 24th, 1969, which I feel like it's pretty specific on being on May 24th, but they know that date because they met in Miami, Florida, when Helen was training to become a flight attendant for Pan American Airlines, AU Pan American being an airplane pilot, it was no surprise that she would meet Richard Kay doing I don't know, she's jumping on pillows.

00:06:25:22 - 00:06:42:24

Kevin + Brandon

Sorry. Okay. Okay. She's fine. She's just trying to have an adventure. What would you do? She just had a mess of shit. Right. But we all. She's done that before, Thank God. I know. What I don't know. We're on this like, chest that we no longer have because she's fucking massively shit all she did. Yeah. What the hell?

00:06:42:26 - 00:07:06:08

Kevin + Brandon

You know what? Accidents happens to everybody and things. Queen. She's so cute, though. my God. Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead. So, hell, I was born on July 4th, 1947, in Denmark. Hello. Was known as a bright and outgoing person who made friends fairly easy throughout her life. She jumped around a bit, going to England for college, then moving to France to be an up here, which is a nanny au pair.

00:07:06:11 - 00:07:33:16

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah. And then eventually she got a job as a flight attendant with Capital Airways, where she would be constantly coming from France, Brussels, Germany and Africa. After some time, Helen decided to apply for a position at Pan Am, which she ended up getting. Richard He was born on December 20th, 1937, in Derry in Connecticut. People who knew him talked about how he had a very cold demeanor and he always had like a cold stare to him, but he was always interested in flying.

00:07:33:16 - 00:07:59:15

Kevin + Brandon

And so he got certified. And by the late 1950s, however, he paused his piloting career for a little bit because he joined the Marines. And by the time he left the Marines in 1968, Richard became a pilot for Eastern Airways, and he also became a part time police officer. So in 1975, after six years of knowing each other and dating Helen, Richard ended up getting married and settling in the Danbury suburb of Newtown, Connecticut.

00:07:59:17 - 00:08:22:24

Kevin + Brandon

So the same Newtown from the Sandy Hook shooting, which is an interesting parallel, but they're not really correlated at all. Goodness. So paired with their three children outwardly you'd think that they had a normal relationship. However, it was really rocky. So after 12 years of marriage, Helen knew something was up. Richard was often away and although he was a pilot and he'd be traveling a lot, he was still when he wasn't flying, he was still gone.

00:08:22:24 - 00:08:40:12

Kevin + Brandon

So he just would get up and leave for a few days on end in hell. I wouldn't know where he was, so hell is assumed he was cheating. But up until this point she had no idea why he was never around and she wanted to find out. She only assumed that he was cheating. So she didn't like to have a conversation with him to be like, Hi husband, where are you going?

00:08:40:13 - 00:09:07:27

Kevin + Brandon

No, not that I know that I saw. What year was this again? This was 1975. Okay. Yeah. you know, sometimes I should just remember my notes and go further because I have. So she asked him once, literally the next few words, which he obviously denied, and it only angered him that she would ask. So by 1986, Helen was over it and she decided to look into getting a divorce.

00:09:07:27 - 00:09:39:24

Kevin + Brandon

So after meeting attorney Diane Anderson, things started to shift gears. She would talk about the potential cheating, Richard's volatile temper and how he was physically abusive to her. And Diane was concerned for Hayley safety. So together they decided to hire you. Just called her. I did. Hell's safety. Thank you. You're such a. Anyways, together they decided to hire a private detective to confirm their suspicions so that they could have proof of something.

00:09:39:24 - 00:10:03:27

Kevin + Brandon

So here. What's in, Keith? Of Mayo. Of Mayo. Detective Agency. Male. Male. I like that name. Okay, I'm going to make a dad joke and be like, was he. Never mind. Keep mayonnaise, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Was he, like, the descendant of Mayo? Well, you don't get it, though. I do get it. It's just not that funny.

00:10:03:27 - 00:10:19:16

Kevin + Brandon

Okay, but you remember that fucking joke that you made in that last episode? What were we talking about? And you were like, God damn it. I just heard it drain on the cup. Yes, that was stupid. It was. I was listening to it again and I was like, my God, That's why I love you, though. Okay, Keep going.

00:10:19:22 - 00:10:40:10

Kevin + Brandon

Okay. Anyways, so the only lead Keith was given was one of their phone bills because earlier Helen noticed a known phone number that she didn't know who it belonged to, and it showed up repeatedly on the phone bill. So she gave it to him and was like, Here, let's do something. She gave him the phone bill. Yeah. So that Keith can find out who it was.

00:10:40:10 - 00:11:00:04

Kevin + Brandon

So it ended up being right because in the lead was enough. So a few days later, he had enough proof to share with Ella. So picture after picture he shared with Ella showed Richard with a woman the same one kissing, being affectionate, holding hands, touching each other, rubbing each other, all that content, all rubbing each other rubbing. What does that mean?

00:11:00:04 - 00:11:19:01

Kevin + Brandon

How do you rub somebody a little, Little rub on the shoulder? that's nice. Yeah, right. I mean, not to do that, right? I mean, I guess friends don't kiss You don't kiss or be affectionate or. I don't mean if I like somebody, I'm like, honey, but I don't. You just don't go. Like, I just don't rub people.

00:11:19:01 - 00:11:41:06

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah, yeah, like, at all. Okay. Yeah. Inappropriate. Now, Hella was expecting this, but it still hit really hard. Keith stated her response was that she just broke down and she cried for at least 5 to 10 minutes, just sobbing. Understandably. I just said, if you've been cheated, well, you know, you've been cheating because, I mean, I cheated on me, which I have not getting cheated on.

00:11:41:06 - 00:12:02:15

Kevin + Brandon

Sucks. I've been cheated on. No, knock on wood. Right. Well you've got right there. Yeah I have. And it's a horrible. Yeah. Well in that paired with with not by abusive relationship. No, not by me. Yeah. That's like that. I know, I know. I was about to say. Not that I know of, you know. Yeah. I guess you just might not know, but yeah, she broke down.

00:12:02:15 - 00:12:21:24

Kevin + Brandon

So even with going through this abuse of relationship, obviously you marry somebody, you want to have a life with them, you have your dreams and your goals with them, and then that's like everything's crumbling at that point. But this ends up bringing us to the evening of November 18th, 1986. Kevin was born. You're alive, but you're November 18th, 1986.

00:12:21:24 - 00:12:45:19

Kevin + Brandon

I was I had a my birth year, then my birth year. I had my birth year was my birth year. So after a long trip from Frankfurt, Germany, hello was dropped off at her house in Newton, Newton, Newtown and was never seen again. It's like I said, futon to do so. Hello was dropped off at her house from a long flight, though she was working with a friend and she was never to be seen again.

00:12:45:19 - 00:13:04:00

Kevin + Brandon

So throughout you know so throughout the next few weeks, people started to question her whereabouts and she wasn't showing up for work. Her the crew was getting concerned. Their family and friends were getting concerned. And they all felt it was really unusual for her to leave. She had young kids still and she wasn't the type of person to just get up and leave.

00:13:04:03 - 00:13:19:20

Kevin + Brandon

So it was right at this time where Richard would give out a variety of different stories of where she was. First, she was saying that she was visiting her mother in Denmark because she was sick. He said she was visiting the Canary Islands with a friend. And then he also just would tell people that he just didn't know where she was.

00:13:19:22 - 00:13:36:27

Kevin + Brandon

This is when her friends started to get even more concerned. So Hayley was wasn't I just said it again? You just you through to me. I'm telling you her name. Telling you I should have just put her on all of these people, you know, who would have loved this name? Gwen Stefani way she said Hollaback. Now, never mind.

00:13:36:29 - 00:14:01:28

Kevin + Brandon

Just kidding You ain't no Hollaback girl. I like that more. You ain't no hell back or. Yeah, that's right. Hell, he was open to a lot of her closest friends about her relationship with Richard, so they knew that Richard and Herb weren't really close and that he would hit her. And so that paired with the fact that before she went missing, she told her friends and her lawyer, if something happens to me, don't assume it was an accident, which, you know, that's a never know.

00:14:01:28 - 00:14:19:02

Kevin + Brandon

See, when you've got to be saying that you need to fix something in your life, right? Yeah, right. Like there's the you're doing something that you need to change. So 13 days after going missing, Diane reached out to Keith Mayo after hearing from some of Heller's friends and hearing the panic in their voices, Diane knew something was up.

00:14:19:02 - 00:14:37:13

Kevin + Brandon

So from this conversation, Keith ended up going to the Newtown police to report her as a missing person. And Keith was the private investigator. Okay, So now, like a lot of the stories that will probably end up talking about and we already have with even the Candyman killer, the police ended up turning a blind eye and didn't believe.

00:14:37:13 - 00:14:56:21

Kevin + Brandon

Keith, can we just do a PSA real quick for all of the police? Because I was last night, I did not feel great. And so I was like laying on the couch watching a whole bunch of murders. And they were all about the NYPD not doing anything about missing person. Yeah. And they were assholes to these family members that were trying to look for these people, it was awful.

00:14:56:27 - 00:15:19:02

Kevin + Brandon

So PSA, police officers, detectives, come on now, especially if it's like, what was this, 13 days? So let's go into it a little bit more. Don't forget, Richard was a part time police officer. shit. Yeah. Corruption. I mean, there are a lot of domestic abusers that are police officers, which is like that's really terrorist. It is terrifying.

00:15:19:08 - 00:15:35:24

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah. Yeah. We should bring those up at a next episode or something. That's actually terrifying, too, because what a way to cover up something. I mean, it's a power and it's a boys club. Okay, Yeah, If I need power, then I'll go be a police officer. but it's also a boys club. I feel like they're like, I protect my own.

00:15:35:24 - 00:15:56:25

Kevin + Brandon

Even if you murder someone. absolutely. So, although he wasn't part of the Newtown police, he was the neighboring Southbury police station. However, people at Connecticut's really small. I grew up in Connecticut. People know people in towns all over it. So they're all little tiny towns now that we all know that this means that because he was a police officer, there's no way that he could have done anything wrong.

00:15:56:28 - 00:16:15:13

Kevin + Brandon

And I have it here in just funny with what you just said. I have like, it doesn't fucking matter if someone's missing for that long. You fucking look into the case, which I know, but, but I think that that happens a lot because even last night, all those episodes that were like, they're an adult, they're allowed to go missing and it's like, my God, are allowed to go.

00:16:15:17 - 00:16:38:23

Kevin + Brandon

You're allowed to go missing. Just enough. Like, how many times are people actually murdered during that period when they're like, well, people are allowed to go missing? Like, what's the stats to be like? People that are actually yeah, they just went out for three weeks. And then how many are actually murdered? Yeah, it's probably more murder. So after being told that she'd probably return, Keith left the police office and decided to do his own investigation.

00:16:38:23 - 00:16:56:13

Kevin + Brandon

At this point, he was super invested. I mean, he knew what kind of man Richard was, so he didn't really want to get away with it. Know, Keith ended up talking to the family's live in Nanny. In this recorded conversation, the nanny talks about seeing a mysterious dark stain on the carpet inside the primary bedroom door after Helen's disappearance.

00:16:56:15 - 00:17:25:09

Kevin + Brandon

She said it looked like a stain, but it hadn't been there before. And she then talks about how Richard eventually ripped up the carpet and replaced it. When the nanny questioned him, he wouldn't give her a reason why. So along with the carpet, there was also a large deep freezer that was missing from the home in the credit card receipt, receipts, receipts, receipts, credit card receipts showed that Richard rented a U-Haul truck and a woodchipper shortly after she went missing.

00:17:25:11 - 00:17:45:00

Kevin + Brandon

I'm getting very much Fargo right now. Which of her story may have inspired her go? It not May, has it? It has actually. My fun facts at the end. shit. Why do I was jump ahead? Because I don't believe in scene. There's no you just is just what you do, right? It's just you and I love you.

00:17:45:04 - 00:18:10:25

Kevin + Brandon

excuse. Yeah. So he got the woodchipper, but they also found receipts for bedsheets, a comforter and a chainsaw. Bed sheets, a chainsaw, a comforter and a wood chipper and a U-Haul truck. All right. Well, yeah, a normal shop. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like a typical target. Run your average target release. Target sells chainsaws or whatever, or you always, ever do.

00:18:10:28 - 00:18:28:09

Kevin + Brandon

So with his evidence on hand, Keith eventually went to the county prosecutor who brought the case to Connecticut State Police, who took the case a little bit more serious. So they obviously started by questioning Richard. They asked him to take a lie detector test, and he was asked obvious questions like, do you know where your wife is? Did you kill your wife?

00:18:28:12 - 00:18:55:16

Kevin + Brandon

Have you seen anybody kill your wife? Did you have anyone kill anybody? Killed your wife? I meant to say it did. She said know. That's actually not the question up Got sets up sometimes. I meant to say, did you have anyone kill your wife? Okay, that makes more sense. That does make more sense. So answering no to all of the questions, they were surprised to see that he passed the polygraph test.

00:18:55:18 - 00:19:17:08

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah. Still questioning Richard. They decided to bring in the forensic experts. By December 26th, Richard was in Florida vacationing with his kids because your wife is missing for less than a month just over. And let's go to Florida where everything is. Men's men's world. Yeah, just me. Yeah. So if I kills my wife, let's go. they went to Disney.

00:19:17:09 - 00:19:38:27

Kevin + Brandon

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, probably they went to Florida. Typically when I hear that, I think I think well, they kind of went to Dinosaur world or Legoland or dinosaur world. There actually is a totally it's right outside of Tampa. It's been weird. I've never been. But I know somebody who works there. Yeah. So troopers quickly got a search warrant and decided to use that time to search his home, which ended up being pretty good, I guess.

00:19:38:27 - 00:20:03:19

Kevin + Brandon

So bringing along Dr. Henry Lee, the director of Connecticut State Forensic Laboratory. Their goal was to try to find something linking Richard to the missing case. As they were checking the bedroom, they found a few things, a few small fragments of carpet, a six inch streak of blood on the side of the mattress. And then Dr. Lee found five tiny little spots on top of the mattress that you could barely see of blood or what he thought was blood.

00:20:03:23 - 00:20:29:13

Kevin + Brandon

So bringing back the micro blood samples, bringing back all of the evidence, bringing back all of the evidence, such a weirdo, though, anyway, it's bringing back the evidence they wanted to confirm a few things. They first confirmed that it was blood, and then they were able to confirm that it was human blood and that it wasn't like some other kind of animal or whatever that it was type O positive blood, which was the same as Ellis.

00:20:29:19 - 00:20:49:12

Kevin + Brandon

They also did a microscopic analysis tests that revealed that it was circulation blood and not menstrual blood, meaning the blood was due to some type of blood vessel injury. I didn't actually even know that was a thing. Yeah, I'd like I didn't know that they could determine which. I mean, that makes sense with mention that I'm assuming there's more than just blood there.

00:20:49:12 - 00:21:11:20

Kevin + Brandon

So there's. Well, I think that there's cause there's also mucus. And then, I mean, basically you're that's like you're setting them, which like I know, I mean, is that the case? We're just I like to start listing off everything that's in areas like this and like, yeah. And I'm like, I think it's these like, there's different kinds of blood.

00:21:11:23 - 00:21:26:10

Kevin + Brandon

I mean, I knew there was different, like, types of blood, but, you know, we're very I'm like, I thought your menstrual blood was the same as your blood running through your veins. No, no, no. Dr. Lee was also able to tell the angle in intensity of the impact. The blood hit the mattress at an angle of ten degrees.

00:21:26:10 - 00:21:52:19

Kevin + Brandon

So throughout his investigation, he determined that the blood splatter and the estimated speed of the blood droplets on the mattress, the tiny little specks that he found were consistent with an injury from a blunt object being struck down on somebody who would have been kneeling or leaning over near the bed. honey, hell. So after only one hour after the investigation, the police were looking for more evidence since they still had not found the body.

00:21:52:21 - 00:22:10:08

Kevin + Brandon

It is then when Joseph a Joseph Hines, drops into the police station. He told the police that the night of the 18th he was plowing the roads because there was a snowstorm that night and he was driving by Lake Zora at 330 in the morning. I think that's how you say it could be nothing. That lake is Zora.

00:22:10:10 - 00:22:30:09

Kevin + Brandon

The air. Is that like a lake in Connecticut? Yeah, apparently it is. So he was driving by the lake and he noticed a rental truck with a woodchipper attached to it. Close to the shore of the lake. He saw a man appear for a short circuit in an orange poncho, but he couldn't really make him out. So interested in what Joseph was saying, the police were like, Hey, could you bring us to where that was?

00:22:30:11 - 00:22:49:17

Kevin + Brandon

But and so he did. He brought them right to the spot. So the police searched the shoreline and collected a bunch of woodchips that were in the area. And at first he didn't really see anything crazy. However, once they kept going, they started to find some interesting things like mail that was addressed to Heller and then some small pieces of metal mail.

00:22:49:18 - 00:23:08:12

Kevin + Brandon

Mail like it was addressed to. Yeah. If you're going to if you're going to woodchip, you know, throw the mail in right now, let's get all the extra spam the letters. There are a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So according to homicide investigator Marty, I must say that because I don't know how to pronounce his last name at this point, they really knew.

00:23:08:19 - 00:23:37:07

Kevin + Brandon

They didn't really know how the woodchipper was involved until they started to dig in a bit. So eventually they found, around. No, no. Yeah. So this is the fun part. So they found around three ounces of human tissue. That's not a lot. No. Well, just the crown of a tooth, an actual tooth itself, a fingernail with pink polish chips of bones, bleached blond hairs.

00:23:37:10 - 00:24:00:23

Kevin + Brandon

And they counted. There was 2260 of them, which seems like a lot of hair. They weight individual hairs. They were like when they legit counted every single piece of hair. Okay. Right. I mean, science, sir. I just feel like that's a waste of time to count every strand of hair. Well, they probably had to go through and test them all to make sure that they came from the same person.

00:24:00:29 - 00:24:21:09

Kevin + Brandon

Okay. So if they were collecting evidence and they found, like, I guess I'm assuming it's like clumps of hair, but clearly it was clumps of hair, but it was like pieces and they still went through in testicle. So they also found some more type of blood and then blue fibers that resembled hell as favorite cotton night shirt. They also decided to dive in the water to see if they could find anything else in here.

00:24:21:09 - 00:24:50:27

Kevin + Brandon

They found the chainsaw broken into pieces and oddly, the serial number was scratched off. Well, he was a cop. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. But bringing the evidence back to the lab, they were able to test it while inspecting the chainsaw. They found traces of blond hair, more hair and blood and human tissue. They were also able to restore the serial number with a chemical solution, which they were able to trace it back to the warranty card of the chainsaw that had Richard's name all over it.

00:24:51:00 - 00:25:10:10

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah, They inspected the hair, which matched the hairs that she used, and that was off of her hairbrush to make sure that it was hers. And it matched. They checked the fingernails and they tested the polish color on the nails with the color of the Polish hella owned. And it matched one that was sitting on her nightstand. Well, they decided to test the bones that they found.

00:25:10:10 - 00:25:30:26

Kevin + Brandon

They noticed a specific pattern on all of the little samples of bones that they found that didn't seem right. So they wondered if it was from the wood chipper. So they rented the same machine, the same type of Michigan? I don't think it was the same exact machine, but they tested the same type of machine and they put a pig carcass through through it since their skin and bone is similar to humans.

00:25:30:26 - 00:25:48:06

Kevin + Brandon

No, no. So growth in there's actual videos of this like I saw the video of them testing it and then throwing the pig in, but they were able to confirm it. Must have videos of them doing that. Well, I mean it was just the they were it was like their investigation that they had. No. But you watched them put the pig in.

00:25:48:08 - 00:26:02:02

Kevin + Brandon

I saw it, but I didn't watch. It's like that piece what I was watching only, like stopped it after they threw a pig and got to get together. No, I didn't see that part with doing that. They were able to confirm a match on the patterns of the bone, fragments of the pig with the bones that they found on the shoreline.

00:26:02:02 - 00:26:21:02

Kevin + Brandon

So they had the same pattern marks on the bones. They also brought in the forensic dentist to try to match the crown in the tooth that they found on the shore, the helo, which they were able to. And then from the findings, investors and investors, investigators, came to the conclusion that it arrived home. She confronted Richard with the images of the affair.

00:26:21:02 - 00:26:42:25

Kevin + Brandon

In anger, Richard must have struck Halla in the head with the end of a police flashlight at least two times. And stored her body in the deep freezer until she was frozen that night. So later that night, then, they speculate that he cut her body with the chainsaw and then fed her through the woodchipper and tried to hide the remains at the lake because the body was frozen.

00:26:42:27 - 00:27:10:29

Kevin + Brandon

There wasn't a lot of blood at the scene. And most of the small fragments that he faced to the water went into the water only to be washed away with the shore on the shoreline. That's why there wasn't much evidence left behind. That's why they only found three ounces of human remains. By January 13th, 1987, the state of Connecticut medical examiner's office issued a death certificate due to the overwhelming evidence that she was put through the woodchipper.

00:27:11:01 - 00:27:30:29

Kevin + Brandon

In May 1988. The murder trial began when the four month long case went to the jury for deliberation. They were in there for 17 days and one juror was in favor of the acquittal. This juror ended up refusing to deliberate any further after the 17 days, and he walked out, thus causing the case to go into a mistrial.

00:27:31:01 - 00:28:00:18

Kevin + Brandon

So by November 1989, a second case came to trial. And at this time, after 8 hours deliberation, Richard received a guilty verdict and was sentenced to 50 years for murder. Richard, like a couple of other stories, I'm not finished out right. Moving forward to January 30th, 20, 20, 20 years after being in prison, 83 year old Richard was released early due to a law that was in place at the time of the sentencing that allowed for sentences to be reduced for good behavior.

00:28:00:20 - 00:28:28:23

Kevin + Brandon

His sentence was reduced by 30 years, not fucking 30 years. Since then, the law has changed, but it obviously worked out in Richard's favor. And then, according to the Newtown Bee, after his release, Richard moved to a halfway house for veterans in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where he would be supervised by a parole officer until around June of 2020. From what I've seen is he still had I think he's still alive, just chilling in Connecticut somewhere, New York maybe at this point.

00:28:28:23 - 00:28:52:02

Kevin + Brandon

So fuck you, which is obviously old. In 2020, he was, what would I say, 83, 83. So so I have a couple of interesting facts. One was the fact that this murder helped inspire the 1996 movie Fargo. It was the first murder conviction in the state of Connecticut with no body. And interestingly, this was the first case that was ever aired on Forensic Files episode one, Season one.

00:28:52:28 - 00:29:14:09

Kevin + Brandon

yeah. Forensic Files. We all know how much I love forensics, so I'm sure we probably probably heard this one before, but we there's been so many great episodes. Yeah, because there's so many murders. So that is the story of Heller crafts. Well, I'll write Brennan. Well, that was an interesting episode for Heller. I can. What? Zippers, man?

00:29:14:09 - 00:29:33:03

Kevin + Brandon

I know whoever would think about putting somebody in the woodchipper, it's like, Fuck you. I know. It's also interesting, too, because nobody conviction, but they had pieces. Yeah, Yeah, but so. But there was no shoes, no full body. Yeah. Okay. Are we ready? I'm excited for this. The noises you were making as you were writing this story. Guys, this one's rough.

00:29:33:06 - 00:29:57:18

Kevin + Brandon

Okay, so. I know it's hard, though. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I also gave this one the title, and it's Dear Albert, your gross. Okay, I do. I actually did find something because I thought this was interesting that there's like a stat out here for no body murder trials at this point. You said that like, your last one was the first conviction in the state of Connecticut.

00:29:57:23 - 00:30:18:27

Kevin + Brandon

Right. So apparently this is called corpus delicti, which means the body of the crime, basically, it says that corpus delicti requires proof that a crime took place before an individual can be charged with that crime. So with a murder, a corpse is considered the most crucial piece of evidence, which makes total sense. But a body can generally tell investigators when and how a murder happened.

00:30:18:27 - 00:30:37:21

Kevin + Brandon

But there are cases where the victim obviously was never found. And homicide is prosecuted and often proven. But since 1843, more than 500 known no body murder trials have been held in the United States. That's a lot. That is a lot. Yeah. Interestingly enough, I actually did look up to see who was the first person to ever be convicted.

00:30:37:23 - 00:30:58:15

Kevin + Brandon

Did you know who that was? No, it's Robert Leonard Ewing, Scott. It's a long name, right? It's really long. He was convicted of killing his wife, Evelyn Throsby. Scott, in 1959, He was the first one to be convicted of a murder. Was that in 1843? 19? yeah. Well, you know, they might have been here because there's your story here.

00:30:58:17 - 00:31:32:08

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, maybe we'll just edit right notes. Okay. Dear Albert, you're gross. This episode is about Albert Fish, who's also known as the Brooklyn Vampire and the werewolf Vampire. I didn't hear you do this. We don't say vampire. We say vampire. Also a kaili reference my friend who died by suicide. Anyway, Albert Fish, also known as the Brooklyn Vampire, The Werewolf of Wisteria, the Boogeyman, the Moon Maniac, and the Gray Man.

00:31:32:16 - 00:32:03:13

Kevin + Brandon

they gave him a lot of names. The great man, the Gray Man. Why does it go into the story? It does. He was a serial killer, a child rapist and a cannibal. No. God. Guys, like three of the worst things. Somebody can be like, who's the the star from the show? That's the cannibal. Jeffrey Dahmer. No, the the actor who played alongside Charlemagne and Call Me by your name, Armie Hammer was Armie Hammer.

00:32:03:25 - 00:32:27:15

Kevin + Brandon

bummer. Anyway, yeah. GROSS. Okay. This guy's way worse, but he's also. GROSS. Albert Fish was born. HAMILTON Howard Albert Fish on May 19, 1870, in Washington, DC. To Randall and Ellen Fish. He was small, quiet and unassuming. Those chef As a child, as a child, he was actually plagued with mental illness. And until then, until I am I.

00:32:27:15 - 00:32:52:19

Kevin + Brandon

Brandon Anyway, mental illness actually ran through his family, so his brother was actually in an asylum. His uncle had been diagnosed with mania and his mother routinely experienced visual hallucinations. Kind of sounds like Victor. I know there's some parallels. Albert's father was actually 75 years old when he was born. damn. That's in 1870. Yeah. I thought people didn't live that long.

00:32:52:19 - 00:33:11:24

Kevin + Brandon

Well, he did. Maybe he didn't eat all the rotten meat that they sold in the early days. So when Albert was born, he. His dad lasted five years, and he actually died. Was a little bit sad about this, is that his mom could not afford to take care of him and his three siblings, so she actually had to put them in an orphanage.

00:33:11:26 - 00:33:41:15

Kevin + Brandon

And here's where shit turns. The orphanages were very different back then. In general, they're not great. I've been in them. But life back then was just yeah, it was just a lot different for sure. So electricity, no plumbing? No. I mean, was there when, when did all that start. I probably Yeah. Was 1870. Yeah. Yeah. It's like well before that maybe even sort of fuck it up anyway so it said that this the orphanage is where he conceived his passion for pain.

00:33:41:21 - 00:34:09:24

Kevin + Brandon

The hill, his personal passion for pain. Like hurting himself to his passion for pain. The word conceived, conceived his passion. So like hurting himself or hurting others, you'll see. Apparently at this orphanage, they would regularly beat children and encourage them to hurt each other as well. What the fuck? They did it so much worse image. Yes, but it's like orphanage Fight Club basically.

00:34:09:26 - 00:34:30:28

Kevin + Brandon

So here's what's fucked. Fish loved the punishments as well. The other kids. I just love that you're going by his last name. The Fish. Loved fish. Thank you for finding this interesting. You're serving beer. no, that's not a good term anyway, so. Yeah. So he loves the punishment. So all the other kids in this orphanage did not like to be punished.

00:34:30:28 - 00:34:57:04

Kevin + Brandon

He was like, Bring it on. He truly enjoyed the pain so much that he began to associate pain with, which then grew into a sexual sort of a sexual symbolism, sexual gratification. And he was still a young boy. And it's so crazy that your brain can, like, change that in 1880. Albert's mom actually fishes. Albert's mom was able to financially support and raise her own children again.

00:34:57:11 - 00:35:25:23

Kevin + Brandon

So she actually took them all out of the home. Unfortunately, everything was already there. Right? So his like love for getting hurt and having pain and like turning it into some sort of a sexual response, once he was back in his mother's care, he missed the pain so much that he would beat himself. And in 1882, he actually developed a super unhealthy relationship with a telegraph boy who introduced him to your lung near and copper aphasia.

00:35:25:29 - 00:35:54:27

Kevin + Brandon

Okay, so you're lying near and probably saying that wrong is sexual. I don't know what it is with pee here, but sexual excitement associated with urine and or urination. No sexual excitement. So he loved some pee. And then coprophilia is the act of consuming one's own feces. No, no, no. I know. No. Like consuming your own shit. Yes, his own poop.

00:35:55:02 - 00:36:13:21

Kevin + Brandon

Yes, That is with the 14. How do you not die from that? I feel like you should immediately die or something. Like you have worms or stuff. I don't know. Something happened. And that's not at a time where they have, like, gum or tic tacs. Also, probably toothpaste. Toothpaste with like. Like your breath stain. Why? You smell like shit.

00:36:13:23 - 00:36:36:16

Kevin + Brandon

That's a shipwreck that's so bad. Anyways, so, yeah, this telegraph boy and him were, like, obsessed with playing with pee and eating their poop. So cool. I know if you have friends that do this, move away, right? Don't be friends with them. Here's what's interesting. So this is like having a friend be like, yeah, I love to go to the moon.

00:36:36:16 - 00:37:06:24

Kevin + Brandon

Sure, I would be like, Goodbye, you. We are no longer friends. From then. From eating his poop, he started developing sadomasochistic tendencies, which led to his obsession with sexual self mutilation. Mutilation, not utilization, mutilation self. So sexual self-mutilation like hurting himself while pleasuring himself. wait, he would take needles and shove them. I mean, you just have to say a needle.

00:37:06:24 - 00:37:29:01

Kevin + Brandon

I don't. go ahead. Shove them. Where he would shove needles into his abdomen and into his groin, embedding them in his body. He would leave them in his body. There was no taking them out. There's actually an X-ray online where you can see 29 needles embedded in just his groin. And we know in our growing. That's correct.

00:37:29:16 - 00:37:56:21

Kevin + Brandon

like that's in your back, right? I'm just fucking. So why did you not take anatomy? Yeah. No. Yeah. So he would also flog himself with a nail studded paddle, flogging his. Like you went with him, so. Yeah. So he was just shoving needles and shit and fucking hitting himself with a nail studded paddle. Well, eating his own shit like mother fucker needed to be in an asylum with his brother.

00:37:56:21 - 00:38:19:07

Kevin + Brandon

Yes. Orphanage Was. This is insane. no. This was after the orphanage. I know the orphanage brought in this behavior. Yeah, right. This is why we don't just beat children anyway. Okay. 1890, once Albert was 20 years old, he actually moved to New York City. great. So once in New York, his curiosity with pain grew so much that he started prostituting himself and molesting and torturing young boys.

00:38:19:07 - 00:38:39:00

Kevin + Brandon

So upon his arrival to New York City, he actually ended up becoming a sex worker here. And so while he was sex working, that is when he started to grow a desire to molest young boys. yeah. This is like another version of the Candyman. right. Except he was the fuckin Brooklyn vamp here. We can't deal with that in torturing these young boys.

00:38:39:06 - 00:38:58:18

Kevin + Brandon

His favorite weapon to torture. What do you think? It was something fucked up. It was that fucking nail studded paddle, of course. So he's just whipping all the I can't an 1898 Alpert actually marries a woman named Anna mary Hoffman in an arranged marriage that was facilitated by his mom. So his mom was like, You need to marry a woman.

00:38:58:18 - 00:39:18:03

Kevin + Brandon

So she found a woman for him. And it's like, here you go to say it was I wasn't expecting him to marry a woman. Well, I mean, it was 1898. yeah. And he won't go marry tomorrow. I didn't expect him to be to just marry into a gay marriage. I wasn't around that. What I know. So interestingly enough, he was a house painter, which I thought was really kind of interesting.

00:39:18:03 - 00:39:34:16

Kevin + Brandon

Like, okay, so he became a house painter after he was a sex worker. So you like the sex worker part? Was the the surprise would be, No, I feel like the paint is a surprise. I feel like, why didn't he just stay with the sex work when. Dunno, maybe because his wife was like, What are you doing? You should paint houses know.

00:39:34:19 - 00:40:05:24

Kevin + Brandon

So you need to have a real job. Paint houses. Albert, Albert and Anna actually ended up having six kids, so he had Albert Jr. Of course know Eugene, Gertrude, Henry and John. and John. He never abused his own children ever. Was is all right? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You get that fish? You're so great. so 1903, he was arrested for grand larceny and incarcerated to sing.

00:40:05:24 - 00:40:25:04

Kevin + Brandon

Sing Prison. Which Sing Sing Prison is like, shit. I wrote it down because I was like, Sing, Sing. This must have some sort of meaning. It didn't. It was just like the name. So 1903, he was arrested for that. Obviously. He got out pretty quick and then jumped to 1920. He was working in Wilmington, Delaware, where he meets a guy named Thomas Keaton.

00:40:25:06 - 00:40:55:10

Kevin + Brandon

And Thomas Keaton was said to have like developmental disabilities, but they started engaging in a sadomasochistic relationship. So what's interesting about this that is it's unclear if the relationship is actually consensual, but Albert is actually quoted as saying that he was intellectually disabled. Here's where things get spicy. now it's going to get spicy. Yeah. So days after the relationship started with Thomas, Albert decides to lure Thomas to an old farmhouse for a little rendezvous.

00:40:55:14 - 00:41:25:07

Kevin + Brandon

Of course. Rendezvous in an old farmhouse. It's like the fucking baseline for all gay porn. I feel right, which is stupid. But anyway, so for this little rendezvous. But instead of having a rendezvous, Thomas gets there and finds himself locked in this farmhouse. And instead, Albert tortures him for two weeks by mutilating his body, eventually leading to him, cutting his penis almost off in half, off in half.

00:41:25:07 - 00:41:50:25

Kevin + Brandon

There's differing stories for both, but something happened to the dude's penis. So weeks to weeks. In his excitement, Albert initially planned on killing Thomas but decided against it because he felt it would bring unwanted attention to him. Instead, he's like, goodness, I made a mistake here. He puts peroxide on Thomas's wounds, bandages up his penis, gives him $10 for his troubles, and he never sees Kitten again.

00:41:50:29 - 00:42:12:07

Kevin + Brandon

So he was. You said he was afraid to to to get attention from that. So, yeah, he didn't want the unwanted attention from killing him. So why wouldn't he get more attention if the person was like. So this guy just this 19 hit song? I'm thinking so. But yeah, but I also found it to be really interesting that he gave him $10 for his troubles.

00:42:12:09 - 00:42:36:25

Kevin + Brandon

For his trouble? You just cut my penis off. You just cause no trouble. Two weeks like I'm pissed, right? Okay. That's like, the first time that I got blackout drunk, and I was, like, in a car with somebody, like, you know, the Uber pulls? Yes. I'm like, Uber drunk, and the other person is just unsuspectingly there. And when I got out of the car, I was like, I gave them some money and I was like, For your troubles, your trouble for dealing with I love that you took it right for your troubles.

00:42:37:03 - 00:42:57:17

Kevin + Brandon

I just like tender. I mean, $10 and, you know, 18, whatever. That was 1920. That was quite a bit right in general. But like, Yeah, but that's not what I was. That extreme was not my torture. I know. Like, I bandaged you up. Here's $10 for your troubles. Farewell, So, yeah, that's fucking over. Just kill me like I do.

00:42:57:23 - 00:43:14:29

Kevin + Brandon

Albert is actually quoted because he's admitted to all of this shit, so he's actually quoted as saying, I shall never forget his scream and the look he gave me. What the fuck? Yeah, you just cut my dick like that. But look at it. I can't. So. Okay. Did you not expect a scream? I know. So jump back just a kind of bit.

00:43:15:02 - 00:43:38:09

Kevin + Brandon

1917 is actually when Albert's mental illness really took a hold, so I kind of jumped to 1920, but 1917, his mental illness in general was like, really, really going bananas. So his wife actually ended up leaving him for another man named John Straub. STRAUB But he left. But this is interesting. His wife left all six kids with Albert, so his mental illness is getting crazy and she's like, Peace leaves all kids with him.

00:43:38:11 - 00:43:55:08

Kevin + Brandon

Let's see, what kind of mom is that? So, okay, she gets remarried. What's interesting and I didn't put it in my notes, but he it's actually said that he would make his kids. He didn't abuse them, but he would make them play like these weird, not healthy games with each other. There wasn't a lot on it, but it's worth noting, I guess.

00:43:55:10 - 00:44:24:05

Kevin + Brandon

But this is actually when his self-harm increase and got a little bit worse, so he put more pins into his groin. And you want to know what he started, you know, because the that sexual like pain can only go so far. He needs another one. So what he ended up doing what he ended up stuffing wall covered in lighter lighter fluid into his a noose his anus which we can lighting is on fire here which we call a noose in anuses a nooses.

00:44:24:08 - 00:44:46:28

Kevin + Brandon

So he will covered in lighter fluid into his a noose and he would light it on fire again. I don't understand how this man and I think you like was that like a little bomb inside of your butthole like that? I feel like that would have, like, totally destroyed just I just I'm like, I. well, like, I mean, he likes the pain here.

00:44:47:08 - 00:45:06:19

Kevin + Brandon

he's. Yeah, he's. He must have been just jerking it and was like, just like. That's a lot. That's a lot. No I can't. So okay. 1919 and says right before the 1920 thing with Thomas that he had a full blown obsession with torture and started to tinker with the idea of cannibalism. And that's when he started thinking about murder.

00:45:06:24 - 00:45:26:11

Kevin + Brandon

So then that led to Thomas. After Thomas, he got really into it and he's like, I should kill kids. So he starts looking for kids that he, in his opinion, he thought wouldn't be missed, which I didn't include in here. But you can imagine what type of children he thought wouldn't be missed. I mean, that's I mean, that's kind of like the Candyman.

00:45:26:11 - 00:45:42:21

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah, not race wise, but it was, you know, people who he thought nobody would. Yeah, it was like it was it wasn't only like due to race, but they, they specifically imagined, like little black boys. But then, you know, it was really kind of any other children or kids that were, you know, homeless or or in an orphanage or whatever.

00:45:42:26 - 00:46:05:14

Kevin + Brandon

Basically how he was kind of abandoned when he was younger, that kind of thing. So he actually started looking at advertisements in local papers. What's interesting about local papers and is that they would put advertisements for personals basically, but also looking for work for their kids or work for themselves with kids. It was it was kind of an interesting thing, but local families would put out advertising to looking for someone to perform housework as well.

00:46:05:14 - 00:46:24:21

Kevin + Brandon

Sometimes for young men would put personals out for work as well. So he was kind of scouring through there to figure out what he wanted to do. Yeah, just to find. Yeah. First known attempt July 11th, 1924. So four years after Thomas, he sees Beatrice Keel, an eight year old girl playing at her parent's farm in Staten Island.

00:46:24:23 - 00:46:41:24

Kevin + Brandon

He tries to lure her by offering her money to help him look for rhubarb in the fields. Just a nice stroll in the fields for rhubarb. Her mother saw him and actually chased him away, but he did end up coming back to get her and her parents and sleeping in their barn and chased him away. He never went back.

00:46:41:26 - 00:47:06:21

Kevin + Brandon

So that was his first attempt. Beatrice, You lived, girl. Here's the confirmed May 25th, 1928. Four years after that, Albert sees a classified advertisement in the New York world placed by Edward Budd, who wanted a working position in the country. Edward was like an 18 year old kid. Two days later, Fish, who was 58 at the time, met with the Budd family at their Manhattan home under the guise of hiring Edward.

00:47:06:21 - 00:47:29:08

Kevin + Brandon

The 18 year old and his friend William, to go and work on his farm. That was like upstate. Upon going to the house and meeting with the family, Mr. Fish, Albert saw Edward's sister, Grace Budd, and thought, I want her. So he moved on from Edward. And who was his first intended victim to Grace and was like, Yep, that's who I'm going to get.

00:47:29:13 - 00:47:50:08

Kevin + Brandon

He leaves, comes back the next day to meet with him again, and he's meeting with him and he's like, Yeah, I'm going to bring you up to the farm and I'm going to hire you guys. And Grace was standing with her parents. They're kind of behind them. And he was like, hey, to her parents. And her parents were Leah Flanagan and Albert Budd.

00:47:50:11 - 00:48:13:18

Kevin + Brandon

He says, Hey, I'm going to go to my niece's birthday party later. Would Grace want to come with me and the parents are like, Sure. So he takes Grace to this birthday party and she never returns, and he never returns either. Fast forward. Yeah. No, don't. How old was she again? She was ten. Ten years old. Ten year old little Grace.

00:48:13:18 - 00:48:29:22

Kevin + Brandon

And she was like, dressed in her like Sunday best and was like, so excited to go to this birthday party and it's awful. She never comes back. You know, there's this whole thing that ensues. I think somebody else like, took her and then that kind of whatever doesn't work out, obviously, because he didn't end up he's not the one who took her November 11th, 1934.

00:48:29:22 - 00:48:57:17

Kevin + Brandon

So remember, this was May 25th when she went missing November 11th, 1934, several years later. Yeah. A letter arrives to Grace's parents, and I'm going to read you the letter. This is fucked up, guys. This is what you were warning me about. Okay, My dear Miss Budd. Mrs. Budd, how formal. In 1894, a friend of mine shipped as a deckhand on the steamer Tacoma Captain John Davis.

00:48:57:19 - 00:49:21:26

Kevin + Brandon

They sailed from San Francisco to Hong Kong, China. On arriving there, he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned, the boat was gone. At that time there was a famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1 to $3 a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold to the butchers to be cut up and sold for food in order to keep others from starving.

00:49:21:29 - 00:49:39:17

Kevin + Brandon

A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak chops or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girls behind, which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price.

00:49:39:21 - 00:49:59:25

Kevin + Brandon

What the f this is? In the letter he said to them. Yeah. John stayed there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh on his return to New York. He stole two boys, one seven and 111, took them to his home, stripped them naked, tied them in a closet, and burned everything they had on several times, every day and night.

00:49:59:26 - 00:50:20:00

Kevin + Brandon

He spent them, tortured them to make their meat good and tender. my God. First he killed the 11 year old boy because he had the fattest ass and of course, the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except head bones and guts. He was roasted in the oven, all of his ass, boiled, broiled, fried, stewed.

00:50:20:03 - 00:50:35:24

Kevin + Brandon

The little boy was next. Went the same way. At that time I was living at 409 East 100th Street, right a rear right side. He told me so often how good human flesh was. I made up my mind to taste it. my God. I mean, I tell you all the time how good oysters are, and you won't even touch them.

00:50:35:24 - 00:50:55:18

Kevin + Brandon

No factor. And I would never eat human flesh either. Who would be like, yeah, My friend told me about this great human and weird. So that was he was just, you know, well, he was setting up the story for what? I'm sure you're for this part. And remember, this is this is little Grace's mom on Sunday, June the third, 1928, I called you.

00:50:55:20 - 00:51:15:02

Kevin + Brandon

I called on you at 406 West 15th Street, brought you a pot, cheese, strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her on the pretense of taking her to a party. You said Yes, she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester and I had already picked out.

00:51:15:04 - 00:51:32:27

Kevin + Brandon

When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew I did not want to get her blood on them. When I was ready, I went to the window and killed her. Then I hid in the closet until she was in the room. When she saw me naked, she began to cry and tried to run downstairs.

00:51:32:29 - 00:51:53:00

Kevin + Brandon

I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mama first. I stripped her naked how she did kick, bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her into small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms, cook and eat it. How sweet and tender. Her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me nine days to eat her entire body.

00:51:53:03 - 00:52:20:03

Kevin + Brandon

I did not fuck her though I could of had I wished she died a virgin. my God. End of letter. He fucking wrote that and sent it to his to her mother. Yeah. my God. What? Are you serious? when I read that, I was like, my fucking God. The only thing that would make that story worse is I thought you were about to say the cheese thing that they ate together.

00:52:20:04 - 00:52:38:13

Kevin + Brandon

What was her? Well, she was home then. Yeah? Yeah. So she thought she was still alive. But in in my head for a second, I was like, my God. He, like, chopped up her body and then brought it back for her own mother, which you're like, it was. I know. It's just an okay, I'm so, so shocked.

00:52:38:16 - 00:52:57:26

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah. So that, that was, that was the letter that was sent to Grace's. I couldn't imagine the feeling of seeing that and reading that, you know? I know. That's what. Yeah. So. Okay. Grace's bones were never found, so. No, nothing was found at all. Once they got the letter and obviously read it, the buds actually turned the letter over to the police, obviously.

00:52:57:26 - 00:53:32:25

Kevin + Brandon

So here's what's interesting. Investigators noted that the envelope was adorned with a small hexagonal emblem representing a local association for private chauffeurs. They found a janitor at the company's headquarters who admitted to taking some of the stationery home when they investigated his former residence on 52nd Street. So basically that the letter led to him as a suspect. Robert Fish in jail, yes, but not only because of the words, but because of this specific thing, the company's headquarters, which led to him, which led to said, I'm going to where Albert was last living.

00:53:32:28 - 00:53:51:27

Kevin + Brandon

They investigated his former residence at 52nd Street. The landlady revealed that a man named Albert Fish had checked out of the now rooming house mere days prior. So she actually agreed and they figured it might have been him. So she actually agreed to contact Albert and say that basically there was a check waiting for him and he had to come back to claim it.

00:53:51:29 - 00:54:11:29

Kevin + Brandon

It led first to return and the authorities arrested him. On December 13th, 1934, Albert admitted to killing Grace and said he's killed children all over the country. and in fact, even he was talking about like he just openly was like, I killed other people to 100%. But he also talked about the fact that he had he said it in a really gross way.

00:54:11:29 - 00:54:31:04

Kevin + Brandon

He goes, I have kids all over the country not referring to them, killing them, but referring to him sexually molesting them. And then he said that he's killed kids all over the country. So he's like, I have a kid in every state. It was fucking gross. So he's like, flaunting it off, like he's so fucking proud. Yeah. So he actually in this whole time, there were other kids, obviously, in that same area that went missing.

00:54:31:06 - 00:54:54:07

Kevin + Brandon

But I included this one because he was convicted on no body. But there were two bodies. He just wasn't convicted of them. So there were actually three killings that he admitted to, although he was suspected of nine just in that area. He admitted to killing Francis McDowell and Billy Gaffney. So Francis McDowell was reported missing on the 14th of July, 1924.

00:54:54:10 - 00:55:14:01

Kevin + Brandon

His body was found hanging in a tree in some woods that were near his house. The autopsy revealed that he was severely beaten, sexually assaulted and ultimately choked with his own suspenders. But another article that I read said that he actually had like strips of his like, skin that were like missing and shit, too. Yeah. So he was just it was fucked.

00:55:14:01 - 00:55:37:03

Kevin + Brandon

So the other one, Billy Gaffney, was playing in his apartment's hallway with a Billy beaten and his brother Beaton's brother briefly left to check on his sister and when he returned, the two young boys had disappeared. Billy beaten was later found on the roof of the apartment, but Billy Gaffney was never found. When asked about Billy Gaffney beat and said the boogeyman took him, which is creepy as fuck.

00:55:37:05 - 00:55:55:19

Kevin + Brandon

That's also why he got that name. So March 11th, 1935, his trial actually started and lasted ten days. He actually is his defense team and claimed insanity, but the jury declared him to be sane and guilty and he was actually sentenced to death. So January 16th, 1936, and they didn't fuck around with death penalty then they like guilty right away.

00:55:55:19 - 00:56:19:29

Kevin + Brandon

They didn't even stand that way for like 40 years. And so, yeah, January 16th, 1936, he died by electrocution at Sing Sing Prison, the same prison that he had went to several years before. And here's what's really fucking weird. So when he figured out when he found out that he was being electrocuted on his walk to the chair, he says, this will be the Supreme, the only one I haven't tried.

00:56:20:01 - 00:56:40:23

Kevin + Brandon

Because remember, he loves pain, so he's on his way to get chills and he's just excited and he's like, no supreme thrill. Well, then you should have just done that to you. Thank you, George. So you're like, his final statements to his lawyer actually were so vile. So he wrote final statements. They were so vile that the lawyer was unwilling to share it.

00:56:41:00 - 00:56:59:23

Kevin + Brandon

And the lawyer actually said, I will never show it to anyone. well, it was the most filthy string of obscenities that I have ever seen. my gosh. And that, my friends, is the story of Albert Fish. my guess. Which is why I said, Dear Albert, you're gross. Yeah. Dear Albert, fuck you. You know. So did he only eat Grace?

00:56:59:25 - 00:57:20:23

Kevin + Brandon

Is that the only body he had? Likely not, no. So, yeah. So even though the other bodies he admitted to killing, he was only ever convicted for Grace? Yeah, because he got the death penalty? I think so. So realistically, they're thinking that he has killed up to 400 kids. My God, that's a no. You know, he was like, you know, killed hundreds or whatever.

00:57:20:23 - 00:57:45:24

Kevin + Brandon

But they don't lie to this day. They obviously don't know. And that was, you know, it was the I would suspect that from his 20th year on or at the very least after Thomas. Yeah. He would likely started killing after that. Yeah. Because I mean here's the thing I think that a lot of people when they have some sort of addiction or some sort of like sadomasochism, whatever it is, that's not only a once a year thing.

00:57:45:24 - 00:58:03:24

Kevin + Brandon

Yeah. Like they're, they're doing shit oft. yeah. They're always trying to find that, that next thing. Well and I think that he was obviously hurting himself but that turned into wanting to, to hurt others and it just kept building. Right. That's why he sort of just fucking eating people. It's just so it's disgusting. It's so I know that's why.

00:58:03:25 - 00:58:28:18

Kevin + Brandon

But when I was reading this shit, I was like, horrible. I know I was hearing it, you know? So yeah, that was on the topic of eating meat, you know, Talk about our next episode. Yes, that was episode four. Yes. But the cool thing is, is that our next episode, Episode five, is all about Thanksgiving. Yes. This is going to be our episode right before Thanksgiving.

00:58:28:18 - 00:58:57:13

Kevin + Brandon

So. That's right. The two we joked about calling it our Thanks Killing episode. We did Thanksgiving and then I switched it to the Thankful for It title to murder. Nope. No. Yeah. Episode four comes out on what does that Tuesday the 22nd Yes I think. Which is exciting. So hopefully everyone is loving this podcast. If you are only if you are, please go rate and review us specifically on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

00:58:57:19 - 00:59:15:26

Kevin + Brandon

We would love to hear from you. It helps us build the podcast as well. You can go to our website, we have merch available, subscribe on YouTube, follow our follow. We're on TikTok, we post some fun shit. There are things on all the things except for that one X thing. What's that? Right. Well, yeah. No, we're not. I don't know her.

00:59:15:29 - 00:59:46:22

Kevin + Brandon

Even I don't even know her anyway. Episode three No word for it. What is wrong with We already talked about this. my God. Look this on Sources episode three and it's actually episode five. Guy is in a Thank you, Brandon. Thanks. Thanks, Brandon. Thank you. Thanks for your woodchipper and thanks for your I felt kale. I know I contemplated not reading that fucking letter because it was rough, but something vegan for dinner tonight.

00:59:47:13 - 01:00:10:21

Kevin + Brandon

sure. It me thinking about human meat. Just that just came out okay. But can we not forget about the fact that he took wool so some lighter fluid up his butthole and let it on fire? No. I want to know how like, I feel like there should have been a Gray's Anatomy episode about that. my God.

01:00:10:21 - 01:00:25:16

Kevin + Brandon

If the producers are listening slash the writers, because they would be doing that. Let's do really running into materials. They are. They really are. yeah. Wool upper, but I don't even know. It's just fucking crazy. Anyway, thanks for following us. Until next time. Bye.