California Murders | Marion Parker and Ashley Hall (Atherley)

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Episode 14

California girls ARE undeniable, fine, fresh, fierce, they’ve got in on lock! Until absolutely deranged murderers start going after them…

If you’ve been following us for a while, you’ve probably seen or heard Mardy in our recordings. She was the sweetest girl who loved to warm up our legs as we recorded. We had to put our true crime gabs on hold for a bit to give her all the attention she deserved for her last few weeks. So this week’s episode is dedicated to our dear pup Mardy. Give your pets an extra squeeze today!

Anyway, Mardy may not have been a California girl but today’s victims were. Brandon is kicking us off with a story that involves multiple ransom notes. No, ransom is not just for pirates. And yes, this story is brutal so viewer discretion is advised!

Marion Parker was kidnapped by Mr. Cooper after the school secretary allowed her to go home with a stranger. That’s unthinkable by today’s standards…because of stories like Marion’s. After sending multiple letters demanding the father pay up without involving law enforcement, Marion’s father was left with his daughter’s body in pieces.

Next, Kevin is telling a story that hits close to home. Ashley Hall (Atherley) was a mother of two, great friend to Kevin’s sister-in-law Britaney, and she dreamt of teaching history. Unfortunately, domestic abuse ultimately stripped her of her spirit.

Ashley’s story shows the typical progression of domestic abuse. Starting by cutting her off from her family and friends and escalating to tragic heights. If you or someone you know is suffering under the hands of an abuser, Ashley’s family has actually created a resource to help victims escape violence.

If you enjoy the episode, leave us a rating and review and be sure to subscribe to our Youtube channel! And lastly, if you have a little Homotown murder you want to share with us, send it over to murder@homocidepodcast.com.

Resources and References

Learn more about Marion Parker:

• The Horrifying Murder of Marion Parker

• Girl’s Grisly Killing Had City Residents Up In Arms

• The Tragic Legacy of Marion Parker

• Murder of Marion Parker

Learn more about Marion Parker:

• San Bernadino Police Seek Help to Find Husband Suspected in Homocide

• Parent’s Plead for Public’s Help in Search for their Daughter’s Killer

• Wanted for Wife’s Murder in California, Suspect Surrenders in Florida

Transcript

Kevin: [00:00:00] Welcome to Homicide the Podcast.

Brandon: Hi, I'm Kevin. And I'm Brandon. And Homicide the Podcast is the gayest true crime podcast here to force the gay agenda on your little true crime loving hearts. Today's episode is called California Dreamin and my story is titled Let the Fucker Hang. What about

Kevin: you, Kev? Uh, my story is, uh, titled, uh, Eadley Atherley, you're a straight up shit bag.

Well, there you go. So it's interesting. So

Brandon: welcome back. Yeah. It's been a couple of weeks of us kind of being a little

Kevin: MIA. Yeah. We haven't had an episode go up in a hot minute. And if you follow us on TikTok, you probably know why now, um, and we'll try to get through this may not be as comedic of an episode.

We'll try our best. Yeah. Brandon and I are coming off of a pretty. Severe shift in our life. And if you've watched the podcast, you know that we, um, had always had a Boston Terrier, [00:01:00] uh, named Marty, who was by her side, uh, every, I think every episode just kind of laying between us,

Brandon: um, except for maybe the virtual recordings, but she was by my feet every single, exactly

Kevin: when we were kind of separate for a little while.

Uh, and we were separate because we back in, um, So back in August, September, um, our little girl was diagnosed with heart failure,

Brandon: right? And here it goes. I already want to cry. And, uh,

Kevin: anyway, the, uh, yeah, it, it just kind of progressed. And by November, uh, like her medicine was pretty upped. It was just like, Oh God, I think we need to take her back to our house in Tampa, which is where we're at right now.

We're recording from our agency that we own in Tampa, Florida, but we decided to bring her back. Um, and she actually did pretty well coming

Brandon: back. Yeah, we thought it was going to be really soon after we got here that,

Kevin: um, that she would pass away.

Brandon: Yeah, but she, I mean, she made it. She hustled. She

Kevin: was a fighter.

Jesus, she was. It was interesting too because her heart was so big that [00:02:00] it filled up her chest and kind of limited a little bit of her lung capacity. But then also in heart failure, you're Your lungs and your everything just starts filling with fluid and so we had a pretty bad bout of it in New York and so we took her, um, to the ER.

And anyway, when we brought her back to Tampa, she was doing pretty well. I had to go back to New York because I was in a couple of classes because as you all know, I also do acting. And, uh, even though I'm the CEO of our agency and I've been, uh, trying to pursue that a little bit heavier and, um, I regret it a little now.

Um, anyway, I know. Uh, so anyway, um, she, yeah, she took a. Turn well, she not really a turn. She started to really progress. Yeah, when I came back Yeah, if

Brandon: anybody's been through heart failure, and I'm sure with people it's the same It's a very slow progressing and then one day she could be great one day. She was awful and it was [00:03:00] It was hard.

And a lot of people in our life noticed how she was, um, progressing

Kevin: and especially our team at our agency because she came to work with us every day. Um, and she had passed out. She would pass out. She, uh, her energy was just, I mean, it was, it was clear that she was kind of really declining. And I think that she was trying to stay alive for us.

Um, anyway, uh, we had to, um, make a really shitty decision, uh, to, uh, send her to her next journey. Um, with a company here in Tampa called laps of love, lap of love, lap of love. And so, um, and if they're in your city and

Brandon: you have to make this decision, they were great from the beginning to the end, they were, um,

Kevin: and yeah, so anyway, this, this last weekend, um, we had to, um, say goodbye to Marty, but [00:04:00]

Brandon: she's going to be here with us every time

Kevin: she is.

So we got this little cute picture of her when I'm put by my face so that it stays in focus. Um, but we are going to have her join us during the episode and if you're not on, uh, if you're not watching us on YouTube, we'll certainly post this onto, uh, our, our social media. So go take a look, uh, to see little Martina, um, but, uh, yeah, we're going to place her right here.

Um, so that she'll be with us, she'll be with us in every episode. And I

Brandon: think something good to know about Kevin and I in this podcast journey that we're on is that. Mental health is really important to us, and we, I think, out of all of the podcasts that I've at least listened to, we're not gonna fake it.

If we're not doing right, great, you're gonna know. So, we took off the last two episodes so that we could spend time with her and heal a little bit, and We're back. So yeah, really thank you to everybody who reached out. 'cause we had quite a few people reach

Kevin: out. Yeah. A lot of our listeners actually, you guys reached out just being like, oh [00:05:00] my gosh, where's, where's the next episode?

And I'm, you know, I know that that was fueled by your love for true crime. And believe us, we love it too. Uh, which is why we're here Again, martyr's not funny, but we are. No, uh, but we really wanted to take the time to spend. Uh, whatever time, especially me since I've been gone, but really wanted to take the time to spend it with Marty as, uh, as she kind of transitioned, um, into this next phase of her life.

Um, but

Brandon: anyway, should we get into the stories that we've had ready for the last, like two, three weeks that I don't even remember what I wrote about and how it

Kevin: would be fun for all of us. Yeah. We got these stories ready quite a bit ago. But as we kind of started navigating, uh, Marty, we, we clearly put it on hold

Brandon: and sorry, everybody who keeps hearing that banging sound.

I keep hitting my brain.

Kevin: It does not know how to stay [00:06:00] straight. Well, clearly, um, but definitely cannot like stay. But what's so funny too, is that we don't, you know, Marty is here in a picture, but she was such a heater. To that, even when she was beside us, which this corner of this room is very hot, when she was beside us, she would heat up our legs so much.

And I kind of missed that little, a little heat, um, a little bit, but I would, God, I could probably do a whole episode on talking about how amazing Marty was and all this. Um, so, uh, we would love to hear from you if you've experienced, you know, uh, even if you have advice on, on how we can maybe navigate this, cause we're having a, yeah.

It's only been just over 24 hours, by the way, probably not the

Brandon: best time to record a podcast episode, but you know what? We needed to do something.

Kevin: Yeah, we had to kind of jump back in and, but also pay homage to miss Martina because really at the, she was at the core of everything that we did in our life, which is why she was on every episode because she [00:07:00] literally was always, you know, Around us.

I think that, you know, she was just such a lover. My Lord. Um, and anybody that encountered her, any team member at our agency, client of our agency, friend, family member, everyone felt the love from That just radiated from her from the little 17

Brandon: pounds.

Kevin: Yeah. Boston Terrier, which by the way, I, I mean, this was our first experience having to, um, you know, uh, deal not only with a pet that was, that was dying of heart failure, but, but certainly.

To face, to face the, the end of it and, um, and watch, you know, the life kind of slip out of her body, which was quite difficult for, uh, both of us, but, uh, and it's interesting too, because I often think of, since we're on the true crime podcast, these, these people who, um, serial killers and people who murder, who are [00:08:00] like, who love that, get addicted to that feeling.

And I, and I breath. Yeah. And I just think like, yeah. I don't your dirtbags stand people. I don't like that. Yeah, I just, I don't, I literally I'm like, that was the worst. It is the worst pain and like the most painful thing. And I just do not understand how people can enjoy a lot. Um, they're crazy. Uh, so anyway, yeah, on that note, um, please, if you have any advice that you can, that you can share with us on kind of how you navigated that, that pain and the grief and the loss.

Thanks. Um, I haven't dealt with it since, uh, I lost my best friend to suicide and it's definitely accessing, um, a lot, a lot, yeah. Some pain that I haven't had in a while.

Brandon: Oh yeah. I know the bouts of emotion that comes rushing here and there. It's not, it's not fun,

Kevin: but which I know, and I know it'll last because Marty was so ingrained in our life.

Oh my God. Uh, and, uh, so anyway, yeah, [00:09:00] if you have any advice or even just want to share your experience, we would love to hear from you. Uh, so please, uh, send us, you know, some videos or, you know, whatever. But even, even send us pictures of your own pets that you've been through. We'll share that. We would love to see that.

We'll do a little something on social. Miss Martina Rita Fajita. Marty would love that too. So, um, on that note, I know that we've been sitting on these for a little while and I, and you'll have to bear with us because I have not read this since I wrote all these notes. It's been a little bit, but yeah,

Brandon: now that I've read like the first two paragraphs, I'm like, Ooh, I remember this.

Kevin: Yeah. It's a good one. It's a good one. Yeah. My, and mine is interesting too. And actually, uh, pretty relatable because I know the people associated, which is how I landed on this particular one, but both of these. Um, uh, crimes were, uh, in California and one in LA and one San Bernardino. Well, I think actually both are right outside of la Yeah, in general.

So, um, actually wait, is yours in San [00:10:00] Bernardino? Yours is mine. Mine is in la. In la. Oh, that's right. Okay. So one in la, one outside of la. So anyway, uh, I think I went last time when we had, um, a gorgeous little Luke on. Um, and so first, yeah, if you want to dive right in, you want to

Brandon: dive right into let the fucker

Kevin: hang.

Let's do it. Hang. Oh, and just to note, um, I dedicate this episode to Miss Marty. Okay. Brandon. It's weird to dedicate a murder true crime podcast episode to Marty, but you know, it's fine. We'll do

Brandon: it. Maybe we'll do like a dog inspired one for her.

Kevin: Oh, that's, that's, uh, yeah, actually I was watching some like, oh God, was it like a dateline the other day?

Yeah, I think, I think it was a dateline, um, or 2020 where, um, this adopted. So this, this, this, this mom and dad adopted this kid from Ukraine. I believe, and the kid, um, [00:11:00] ended up murdering, um, or having somebody murder his dad. He was trying to murder his dad and mom, and they killed the dog, too, um, who was sleeping at the foot of their bed.

Oh, fuck you. Um, the mom ended up living and, uh, stood by her kid's side until obviously it came out that he was the one that kind of orchestrated this whole thing. It was a really good episode, actually, um, but on that note, yeah, so there are things like that. But, uh, Okay. Yeah. All right. Let's get rid of my ridiculous grief here.

So Brandon, let's do it.

Brandon: Okay, cool. So on December 15th, 1927, a man dressed in a heavy grayish brown overcoat, black shoes in a dark hat who introduced himself as Mr. Cooper walked into the front office at the Mount Vernon Junior High School. This well dressed man told the school registrar, uh, Ms. Mary Holt.

That his boss, Perry Parker, uh, was in a terrible accident and he was there to pick up the Parker girl because Perry insisted she was there by his side to watch, uh, to which Miss Mary responded with, [00:12:00] which one? Seeming to be surprised with the question, he answered her quickly with the answer of the younger one.

Yeah, right. So with a sense of urgency, the school secretary, Miss Naomi Flinton, headed to grab Marion. Uh, sitting in the office as they watched them walk down the hallway, they heard Mr. Cooper say, don't cry little girl, I'll take you to your daddy. The two got in Mr. Cooper's dark colored Chrysler coupe and little did the staff know that this would be the last time that they would see Marion.

So Marion Parker and her twin sister Marjorie were born on October 11th, 1915. Um, at this time, her parents, Perry Parker in, uh, girdle line, Geraldine. Oh my God. It's

Kevin: like, um, I was going to say, it's so tough.

Brandon: Well, there you go. We haven't had one of

Kevin: those in a while. No, but I do, I do think it's worth, um, saying that it's really stinks because every time I hear the word Marjorie.[00:13:00]

I think of Marty. I know. Oh,

Brandon: do you really? I think of Marty cause we used to call, we used to, I used to call her Marjorie. We did. And when she was bad, I'd call her Marjorie Taylor

Kevin: Greene. Well, I was going to say that every time I hear Marjorie now, I think of fucking Marjorie Taylor Greene. So it pisses me off.

But, um. Yeah, but yeah, we also, yeah, you, I think you called Marty. I called her Marjorie more than I did. I called her. Yeah. But anyway, um, so that's a weird

Brandon: correlation. Yeah. Anyways, Geraldine, it's as I was reading, I'm like, I'm not saying this right. Um, and I was worried about saying Marjorie because it's spelled in a way that does not feel like Marjorie.

Anyways, Perry Parker and Geraldine lived in the Arlington Heights neighborhood of Los Angeles. Um, from what I read, they had a pretty normal So, Um, middle class life as Perry worked as the chief clerk at the first national bank of Los Angeles and made a decent living. So on December 15th of 1927, Geraldine was a bit surprised when, uh, Marjorie came home for, uh, for dinner without her [00:14:00] sister.

It was not like them to not be together being that they're twins. You know, they have that like connection. Yeah. Um, so however, um, Oh, so she started to call around, uh, to countless friends and schoolmates of However, quickly into her questioning, they, uh, received a telegram. Uh, because this is back in 1927, the telegrams, obviously the telegrams

Kevin: were all the rage.

They were all

Brandon: the rage. Um, so the telegram read, do positively nothing till you receive a special delivery letter. Um, Mar, uh, Marion Parker, and it was labeled her name. So a short time later, they received a second one that read, um, Marion secure, use good judgment, interference, interference with my plans, dangerous Marion Parker and signed George Fox.

With the thought of their child being adopted, abducted, uh, Perry and Geraldine quickly contacted the police and school officials, which is when they learn of the, they learned of the events prior. So

Kevin: abducted, not adopted. I said adopted. Yeah. [00:15:00] Oh my Lord. You started to say adopted and then you were like, adopted.

Brandon: So the next day, several more letters came and the family started to understand that these were ransom notes. Uh, demanding 1, 500, which is about 25, 000 today in 20 gold certificates in the exchange for Marion. The full terms of the letters stated that, uh, to one have. 1, 500, 75, 20 gold certificates in U. S.

currency, um, come alone and have no one, no other one following or knowing the place of the meeting, bring no weapons of any kind and come in the X's coach license number 594995, stay in the car, uh, which was Perry's car. So they had some information about him. So interesting, right? So the letter also states that, um, That once he hands over the money, they will get back in the car and move slowly away from him, about a block.[00:16:00]

They will let Marion out of the car and give them a moment to get away. So give them a moment to get away. The additional letters would also read a range of different things. And I have some snippets of a few of these because they were very interesting. So one read leave out the police and detectives naturally.

Yeah, make no public notice This affair private make no search fulfilling these terms with the transfer of the currency will secure the return of the girl Failure to comply with these requests means no one will ever see the girl again Except for angels in heaven the affair must end one way or the other within three days 72 hours You will receive further notice, but the terms remain the same.

So that was one. The next one was please recover your senses. I want your money rather than to kill your child, but so far you give me no other alternatives. Of course you want your child, but you'll never get her by notifying the police and causing this. [00:17:00] I'm causing all this publicity. I

Kevin: mean, to be fair, um, they chose to steal a child for ransom.

So the, the weird, the, the thing that you give me no all other alternative. I mean, the alternative was to not steal somebody's child. Yeah, exactly. Or not to them. Fucking fucker.

Brandon: Okay. Anyway, we may have a little

Kevin: internalized anger.

Brandon: Yeah. So the the letter reads on to say, I feel, however, that you started the search before you received my warning.

So I'm not blaming you for the bad beginning. Remember the three day limit and make up for this last time. Dismiss all authorities before it's too late. I'll give you one more chain chance. Uh, get the money the way I told you and be ready to settle. I'll give you a chance to come across and you will or Marion dies.

I mean,

Kevin: or you could like get a job and pay for your own shit. Right.

Brandon: Yeah. Okay. So we'll get into that. Oh, great. So up until this point. They already had called the police and they were [00:18:00] already in talks to the police. So it was interesting that he wrote that because this letter came in a couple days, like a day later.

Kevin: What did he, what did he expect them to do?

Brandon: Yeah, well, they expected them not to do anything, but I think like people should, you should probably call the police.

Kevin: So, I mean, if my child went, you know, was adopted, abducted, abducted and went missing, I would absolutely. Be calling the police.

Brandon: Yeah, so what 100 percent so, um, all of these letters were signed with the names like Fox fate death.

Um, they also had inscriptions from Marion herself with pieces of it saying, and this is, this is kind of rough, but it says, Daddy, please. Don't bring anyone with you today. If you don't meet us in the morning, you'll never see me again. Love to all, Marian Parker. P. S. Please, Daddy, I want you to, I want to come home this morning.

This is your last chance to be sure and come by yourself or you won't see me again. Then eventually Perry was told the location of the drop, um, and he headed right to the corner of 10th Street and Gramercy Place as directed. Unfortunately, [00:19:00] um, Because they called the cops, he asked that the police didn't come with them.

But the police who were watching the family did follow Perry without him knowing. Um, and when the abductor saw the police, they got scared and drove away. So, they met at this, at this corner of the street, and he just drove off. Uh, the driver, the

Kevin: abductor drove off. Probably would have been really mad at the police, but also, like, it makes sense that they would go.

Brandon: Oh, for sure. So, the next day, the kidnapper continued to write letters where, um, He said how Marion saw him and he won and wondered why her daddy didn't help her. Um, and that he would give them a second chance. Um, and that this time he was to wait for a phone call. So on December 17th at 7 35, the call came in and they instructed Perry to meet at the corner of Manhattan place in fifth street, uh, with cash in hand by 8 PM.

So Perry complied. So this was. Less than half an hour later. So when he gets there, he sees a Chrysler coupe pull up right next to Perry's car. He sees a man with a white handkerchief [00:20:00] around his face, holding a sawed off shotgun, uh, that is demanding the money. Perry asked for his daughter. Um, and the masked man moved aside to show Marion bundled up to her neck, but not visibly moving, which kidnapper, uh, noted that she was sleeping.

Yeah. So Perry tried to call her, uh, but she didn't answer. He assumed that Marion was drugged, which is why she wasn't moving, which I could understand.

Kevin: She like

Brandon: standing next to him. She was sitting in the car in the passenger side. Yeah. So Perry handed over the satchel of cash and followed orders as he watched the cars start to drive away.

But just as noticed the card pulled over and the door opened and Marion was violently shoved out of the car. Within a moment, the car took off. Perry jumped out of the car so quickly that he forgot to put his car in park. He ran to her and grabbed her body. However, he was, he quickly realized that something was wrong.

Um, her face was pale. Um, And this part is going to get a [00:21:00] little bit rough, um, but her face was pale and he was holding on just a part of Marion's lifeless body.

Kevin: So,

Brandon: sorry, just a part. So I'll go on and I actually in my notes I have, so I'll add a quick trigger warning here as an expect gets a little bit rough, but I tried to preemptively say that already.

So great. Um, so Marion's body was quickly, quickly sent to the coroner's office for an autopsy that would be performed when they unbound her body. Um, they saw quite a few things. Um, so one, um, her arms were severed from the elbow and they were missing. Her body below her waist was missing. Um, her body was sliced in half and her lower abdomen was missing.

Um, her organs in her, um, in her torso were removed and replaced with towels and newspaper. Her eyelids were sewn, uh, with the, with black piano thread to make her look alive. Um, and she had wire this one. No, I saw somewhere. I, [00:22:00] I don't know how truthful this was, but it kind of goes along with the black piano thread is that she had wire wrapped around her neck that went up her head and wrapped around her neck.

Uh, to make her look like her head was standing, uh, in the car. So after their full autopsy, uh, they determined that she was quick killed just 12 hours earlier, meaning that she was still alive during the first meetup that didn't happen. Um, however, one of the biggest questions was, where was the rest of her body?

Well, the next day on December 18th, uh, there were people walking around Elysian Park, which is just north of where the body was dropped off. Um, and they stumbled on six separate bundles wrapped in towels and newspaper. These bundles contained, uh, Marion's arms, her legs, her lower torso, and her internal organs.

From here, the news in public went crazy. There was a huge manhunt for the killer with over 20, 000 police officers and volunteers searching. Now, the police acted pretty fast. They noticed a logo on the [00:23:00] towels that were used, that were branded with the name Bellevue Arms Apartments. Where they started to take, um, talk to some of the, um, tenants, which I thought this was kind of interesting that it was an apartment building that had branded towels.

Kevin: Yeah, well, it was also the 1920s. It was for a little bit.

Brandon: Yeah. So they, I don't even know if they even had like maybe shared bathrooms or something like that. Um, so at the time, uh, the Christ, um, at the same time, the Chrysler coupe, uh, the killer was driving was found abandoned. However, the police were able to take it.

Fingerprints, and they were able to match them to the letters that were sent. Uh, they also cross checked their systems, and the fingerprints ended up matching a 19 year old named William Edward Hickman, who also happens to live in the Bellevue, um, apartments. also just happens to be missing when they go

Kevin: to search for it.

I really, I can't remember the name that you said at the beginning or if you said one, but if it, if it's this guy, I hope that he was that stupid.

Brandon: We'll, we'll continue to get stupid. So who [00:24:00] is William Hickman? So, well, sometime in 1926, William and a friend, Webley Hunt, were hired as messengers at the First National Bank of Los Angeles, where they both worked with Perry.

What Perry didn't know when they were hired was that both William and Webley, um, were no strangers to crime. Before the two met, it was known that, uh, by many that William had a habit of torturing and killing stray dogs and cats. First red flag. Um, in the, in one classmate, uh, reported that William took delight Uh, ringing the necks of chickens.

Alright,

Kevin: I just, that's hard. So he's already

Brandon: a shitbag. So the two eventually met in Kansas City where they both, uh, were known to getting into trouble for stealing. By 1926 they decided to leave Kansas City and they headed, uh, to Los Angeles where they would move in with Webley's grandparents.

Interesting. Yeah, so by Christmas Eve of 1926 The pair was still obviously involved in stealing, so they made their way to a local pharmacy to [00:25:00] see what they could, what they could get. So, this time things went a little bit south, and they ended up in a shootout with a police officer who was there. Um, and that night they ended up shooting the police, uh, shooting the police officer in the stomach, and killing the, uh, killing the pharmacist at the, uh, pharmacy, uh, who was named Clarence Ivy Toms.

However, the two were never caught. They were able to make it out, and they laid low for quite some time. This is also the 1920s. It's harder to find people. It's easier to get away with some stuff. Yeah. Um, so they just laid low. Um, and they were never caught. So eventually they both ended up getting a job at the bank, which I have a note in here that says, which sounds like the best place for a thief.

Uh, so things didn't stop and only got worse and more dangerous. On, um, May 24th, 1927, Webley's grandfather's body was found beneath the Colorado Street Bridge in Pasadena. Um, there were a lot of confusing things that happened here, like the day before, there was a large [00:26:00] withdrawal from his bank account, there were multiple suicide notes that were obviously written by two different people, um, and none of the cash was found.

At the same time, William was forging checks at the bank. Uh, eventually taking around 400, which is just over 6, 000 today. Um, and this, however, did not go unnoticed by Perry, and William was fired and prosecuted for stealing. However, he was only sentenced to probation, which sent him back to Kansas City to live with his family.

And they

Kevin: didn't connect the fact that Clarence's murder, right?

Brandon: No. So up until this point, nobody knew who they were, who they were and what they had done. So, um, from here, William, uh, was out of work and often would be seen playing penny ante, which is apparently a type of poker that's played for small stakes.

I hadn't heard of it, but it sounds very 1920s. Play some penny ante!

So with this time he had on his [00:27:00] hands, he started to concoct a plan to make some money and to take on revenge. So William decided to kidnap and eventually murder Marion, um, because he got in trouble for stealing and he knew Perry and he knew his family, except he didn't remember that Marion had a twin, uh, which why he went to school that day, he got a little bit confused when she said, which one, um, that's, and that's why he said the youngest one or whatever, the younger one.

Did

Kevin: you say that they were twins initially? I

Brandon: did. Oh God, I totally missed that. So here, for those who have the, um, So I have, um, that they said they responded to which one. And then later I said, so Marion Parker and her twin sister Marjorie were born October 11th. I was

Kevin: focused on the Marjorie thing. You

Brandon: were.

You were. I mean, that makes sense. Any huevos. So, um, William decided to kidnap and eventually torture or eventually murder Marion. Yeah. After the murder, the police went frantic trying to find him. However, they [00:28:00] had no idea where he could be. They checked with his family in Kansas City and his extended family in other states and, uh, he was nowhere to be found.

Now the story is pretty popular at the time, um, And the reward for finding him eventually raised from 50, 000 to 100, 000. Um, this is, yeah, so this obviously perked a lot of people's interest, and many had said they'd seen William everywhere. Uh, there's even a report that one man who looked like William was arrested seven times in one day, to the point where he asked to stay in jail until they found him.

Yeah, there was also another report of another man who looked like William that was severely beaten. Um, and eventually The cops figured out that William had stolen another car. Um, this time it was a green Hudson. Uh, this sparked the interest. Um, this sparked the interest of a gas station attendant in Albany, Oregon, uh, who stated that they saw a man dressed in a dark blue suit.

And Oxford shoes that matched Williams description driving a green Hudson tracking where [00:29:00] William would be going. They were able to trace his whereabouts to Seattle, Washington, where he used two of the 20 gold notes that were given to him from Perry to purchase new clothes because the cops told Perry to give him all marked bills so that they could trace him, which he had done.

So then on December 22nd, Williams was seen again at another gas station, this time in the Portland area. Uh, the gas station attendant called the police immediately. Yeah, eventually the two off, two officers, Chief Gardine, Gardane, Gardane. And I was, I'm so glad that you're just looking at my notes as I read it for me.

And officer Lou Allen, Lou Allen of, uh, Allen, Lou Allen. I said, Lou Allen, like, like an old woman. Like, I just imagined some like woman working in a counter of a, of a soda factory. Miss Lou Allen. Yeah. So, um, of Echo, Oregon. Uh, Uh, we're having, um, they were having a smoke break and they saw green Hudson drive past.

And knowing about the story, they got in their car and chased Williams. However, William [00:30:00] decided to drive faster. And for a bit, they were in a frantic car chase, which William eventually lost. When the police expected, inspected William's car, they ended up finding the sawed off shotgun, a few handguns, and about 1, 400 of the ransom money.

So from here, William, uh, was taken in for the murder of Marion. At first, he tried to blame the killing on a set of brothers. Okay, I saw this in a couple different places. It was a couple or it was a set of brothers. I just picked the set of brothers. Um, because there was a couple that said both of them.

So, um, there was a set of brothers. I have Oliver and Frank Kramer. Um, he said that he took part in the kidnap in the ransom, but he did not kill Marion. However, little to his surprise, both were incarcerated for the last few months on other charges, making that impossible. Um, so eventually William confessed.

Um, to a few different things, he confessed, uh, to several robberies in the murder of the pharmacist, Clarence Ivy Tom, uh, which Webley eventually was arrested and charged for as well. [00:31:00] Um, once William realized the police didn't believe the story of the Kramer brothers, um, he ended up telling the police what he did.

And again, I have another trigger warning in here. Um, in a 19 page written confession, he told the police that he strangled Marion as she sat blindfolded and tied to a chair until she was unconscious. He then hung her upside down in his bathtub and sliced her throat at the jugular to drain her blood.

Yeah, I know. Then after severing her limbs, he disemboweled her and wrapped her limbs and torso And put them in a suitcase for temporary storage. Like,

Kevin: here's the thing. These people are sick as shit. Which is why we should not have, like, gotten rid of mental health facilities. Or, um, not mental health facilities, but like, um, Uh, crazy houses.

What is it? What's it called? I mean, mental

Brandon: Yeah, like, like, But they were, um, You're thinking of a specific name, and I can't think of it

Kevin: either right now. Potentiary. No. Potentiary. Jesus fucking Christ. What are they [00:32:00] called? A psychic, a psychic, uh, penitentiary, right? Yes. Psychiatric hospital. Psychiatric hospitals, yeah.

Which I, I do think that some still exist, but there was that whole thing, which I mean, they

Brandon: were, they were testing a lot. They were doing, like, lombotomies

Kevin: and that kind of stuff. Well, that's all fucked up, but like, but like, uh, an actual place to be able to put people that are experiencing psychosis or, like, these things where they could actually get the help that they need, but instead, You know, they're all hanging bodies upside down and draining blood and all this fucking shit, which is

Brandon: It's awful.

Yeah. Well, and this is why mental health has been super important, which

Kevin: yeah, cuz that's on the government Doesn't here's the thing if you are slicing and dicing bodies and wanting to kill people. It's not normal You say slicing and dicing.

Brandon: I did it's like we're on the old infomercial for nice slicing and dicing

Kevin: There was actually in Colorado.

There was um where I'm from there Somebody's calling me. Um, I'll carry Gomez Uh, you probably listened to this, uh, but anyway, um, who I is my friend from [00:33:00] Colorado speaking of which, but in Colorado, they have the Western stock show, um, or the stock show in Colorado, which is super fun, but I remember going there, um, with my adopted family and walking into like this big area of like booths where they would do.

You know, where you could buy stuff, um, but they always had kitchen appliances or like knick knacks in the kitchen and one of them was like, you know, this display of somebody like up there, um, doing that, but it like the slicing and dicing, like, look at this, what this can do, like, oh my God, sliced peppers in five seconds, like, and I always would be like, I want that.

That's so cool. Anyway, it reminded me of that. Great slicing and dicing bodies is not the same as slicing and ing. It's not the same green peppers, however. Yeah. Um, yeah. If you're, here's the thing, all of that's fucked up. If you have those thoughts, you're fucked up.

Brandon: Yeah. Fix. Okay. Anyway, thank you for that.

So once, uh, as Perry was, um, um, butchering her body, um, [00:34:00] he realized that Perry would probably want to see Marion before he gave him the money, which duh. Um, so he decided to reconstruct the remaining pieces of her body to make her look alive, which is like fucking awful to even just think about. Yeah, it really is.

So on January 25th, 1988, the trial for Marion's murder started. The defense, uh, went hard trying to fight that William, uh, was not guilty by reason of insanity, which was a new concept for California at the time. However, this didn't sit well with District Attorney Asia Keys. Um, he, uh, brought on mental health professionals along with friends and family of William's to prove him wrong.

And to add to the idea that this was all fake, there was also a letter that was found where William had written a fellow prisoner asking for ideas on how to act crazy in court. So with all of the evidence of him not being insane, the theory was thrown out. Um, hundreds of people, um, Showed up at the court to see what was happening to William, [00:35:00] um, including like some big celebrities and authors and whatnot.

Kevin: They just wanted to know 1920s, right? Yep. See people have been obsessed with true crime since before Well, probably since the first crime was that we're committed. I mean, yes, which apparently was Adam and Eve when one of those fools

Brandon: Allegedly, allegedly, um, um, um, after 13 days of testimony, the jurors only took 30 minutes, 36 minutes to deliberate.

Um, they came to the unanimous decision that William was guilty of all charges and was sentenced to death. So, on Valentine's Day of 1928, Williams was sentenced to death by hanging at the gallows of San Quentin.

Kevin: Wow. Wait, they killed, wait, they hung him on Valentine's Day? On Valentine's

Brandon: Day. But to make this, I mean, probably better for people who hated him, but worse for him.

On October 19th. Uh, well, okay. He [00:36:00] was sentenced on Valentine's Day. Oh, got it. On October 19th, William walked up to the gallows, um, and fainted as soon as the executor placed the black hood over his head.

Kevin: Little bitch. Yeah. Thank you . You're fine doing all that shit to two other people, but you get all skid.

But like with some.

Brandon: Karma justice in the moment, um, because he fainted, it causes the rope to be a little bit too loose on his neck so that when they released the trap door and his body fell, the loose line didn't give enough force to snap his neck because the purpose of hanging is to snap the neck immediately.

Um, so William hung there for 14 minutes. Before he were pronounced dead from strangulation. Yeah, good. Well, you know. Um, so for some interesting facts on here, I have on December 20th, uh, police went to the apartment complex to investigate and encountered a man who fit the description of Marion's abductor, but he identified himself as Donald Evans.

Donald allowed the police to search his apartment number 315, [00:37:00] um, and the police found no evidence, but Donald Evans disappeared. Eventually, they found out that William lived in apartment 315. So he was there. The cops talked to him. The cops went into his apartment. At the time, they did not know who William was.

Um, and so, yeah, he So, the next interesting fact is Uh, Webley was quoted in saying that William had once told him, You know, it would be worse, uh, you know, it would be worse that to kill someone and cut them into pieces, into very small pieces, and throw them alongside the road. Someday, I'm gonna pull a job like that.

Ew, William. Um, and then, um, this last one is Perry, um, her father never actually wanted the death penalty. He's quoted in saying, thankfulness that this man has been captured. Um, and mothers no longer need to fear that he may carry off their children. Um, but I'm not wishing that he be [00:38:00] put to death. Of course, he should be punished, which I'm sorry, put that motherfucker to death if

Kevin: you're going to kill my child, I know.

I think that for people who are against the death penalty, I totally understand. Yeah, like I don't do, but I don't know. Yeah, I feel like because isn't there like an eye for an eye or Yeah. You know, I, it's, you know, God,

Brandon: you know, that's the story of Marianne Parker,

Kevin: Marianne love. I'm so sorry. I also, you know, here's what's interesting too, because initially I was like, Oh fuck those cops, but his plan was to kill her from the get go.

Yeah. So if that was the case, then I, yeah, I mean, I feel like maybe he would have just driven off with her then he might have, or

Brandon: he might not have, I mean, who knows at this point, but we don't know what he would have done, but he. Yeah. Wanted to do that. And he gave himself the opportunity because they didn't totally

Kevin: how horrible though for that dad to go running over to get his daughter [00:39:00] just to grab her.

And it's not. Yeah. And I it's all, you know, just fresh for me right now. Because even, you know, yesterday. Seeing Marty, um, our, our pup's life kind of go and, and, you know, her body, it was, uh, a little too much for me to handle. Yeah, same. Um, which is why I'm so thankful for you, bub, for, um, helping them while I was losing my shit.

So, uh, anyway, yeah, I just couldn't imagine. I just feel so bad for him that that would be. For Perry. Yeah. Anyway, well, that was good. So you, you, I think you, I feel like you probably started to remember it. I did.

Brandon: As I was going, it was like, I know where this is going crazy now, but I'm excited for yours.

Cause I

Kevin: only know a little bit about this story. Well, this one's interesting too. Let me fix my mic real quick. I keep hitting my ear or my fucking headphones on my goddamn mic. We'll get it together. A little bit different because [00:40:00] Well, because we've never filmed right here, um, but at least you get to see some of our mural in the background.

Um, there's this amazing artist, Ashley Quintero, uh, here in Tampa, uh, Bay, who's from Tampa Bay, who is an incredible artist and we commissioned her to, uh, create a mural for us that really talked about our business as an agency and, and actually little Martina, uh, Marty is in it. Um, which you can't really see, but we can share a picture of that too on our social media so you can see how we incorporated Mythomarty, uh, into our, yeah, into our mural.

Anyway, uh, okay, my story, are we ready? You ready to dive in? Yes. So again, my title is Eadley Atherley, you're a straight up shitbag. So it's interesting about this and just kind of a, a note. I was talking to my, my sister in law, Brandon's brother's wife, uh, one day and she's like, Oh my gosh, you should do an episode on, um, one of my friends who, um, was, uh, was murdered by her husband.

And I was like, Oh, yeah, [00:41:00] sure. Um, absolutely. That's a, like, tell me all about it. And then she started telling me about it and I was like, Oh my God. Um, and it was, uh, it kind of impacted. Um, a community in Tampa and a community in, um, outside of LA. So, you know, um, your decisions when you're fucking with people's lives can impact several people in locations, but for sure murderers don't really give a shit.

Oh no, they don't

Brandon: care. You know, I don't think that is, uh, on their

Kevin: mind at all. I know they just don't care. So, uh, okay. I'm going to dive into this. Um, it was December 1st, 2013, when 28 year old Ashley Atherly was found stabbed to death in the bathroom of her husband's apartment in San Bernardino, California.

So, again, I was actually introduced to this story by my sister in law, Brittany, uh, who actually grew up with Ashley and told me that she was once, um, or she was one of the most kind and caring people, uh, the kind of person who would literally give you the shirt off of her back, and, and Brittany actually sent me a text with [00:42:00] this.

So she said, um, she was the kind of friend that didn't, that it didn't matter how long it had been, uh, that she was going to take the time and sit and catch up with you all about your life. So she was just, it sounded like just God the perfect. The perfect friend. Yeah. Um, and uh, and it makes me a little bit emotional right now because, you know, we've had a lot of our, our friends sending us flowers and messages and uh, you know, friendships, good friendships are, are worth investing in.

Yeah. But they're also really hard

Brandon: to find, so when you have them, it's gotta

Kevin: hold onto them and Mm-Hmm. And make the effort and make the full effort that your friends make too. And it sounds like Ashley was, was one of those. So, um, this is a story of Ashley Hall. Atherly, which was her married name, uh, who was a mother of two who spent almost seven years in a relationship where we, where she was physically and mentally abused.

And ultimately she was murdered. So a couple of, uh, sources that are worth, um, uh, noting, I got some stuff from CBS news, Tampa Bay, um, casetext. com and sbsun. [00:43:00] com as well. Um, Okay, so I want to dive into Ashley because Ashley was beautiful and just seemed like such an incredible human So she was born on July 30th of 1985 to Lucia Robles in Scott Hall Ashley was Sorry Ashley was a great beauty inside and out and was just an amazing human.

So Lucia Robles is her mom she is remarried to Ashley's stepfather and something that in the Obituary was, uh, he was labeled as her second daddy. His name was Rick Robles. Um, and then her dad, Scott Hall, who was also remarried to Ashley's stepmom, Heather Hall. Ashley grew up in Brandon, Valrico, Florida, which, um, Brandon is actually kind of a cute, uh, area outside of Tampa.

I would not live there, but, um, I know a lot of people who do. Valrico is not my favorite, but,

Brandon: um, I would hate, I think I would hate to live [00:44:00] in a town that was the same name as me.

Kevin: So I'd rather not. Brandon. I live in Brandon. Um, no, uh, Valrico is, it's like farm town. So it's actually, you know, um, just lots of farms.

Uh, it is a very, I would say red area of Tampa Bay. So it's not my favorite, but, uh, any considered Tampa Bay? I don't know. And I don't, I think maybe not whole County. It's like on the other side of, um, of, uh, I 75. So anyway, um, uh, Ashley grew up there. And so, uh, I said, which is just outside of Tampa, but she was actually, uh, a graduate.

So she graduated from Bloomingdale High School in 2003. So, uh, she did eventually go to college and received her associate's degree from Hillsborough Community College and was actually planning on attending USF. And USF is a great college here, uh, that is in Tampa. So her dream was to be a high school history teacher, which I love.

Um, and actually there's this, um, this woman that I follow on, uh, I had to [00:45:00] tell you her name. I follow her on Instagram. Um, she's a, uh, an instructor that's in, in New York. Uh, and I love her, but her name is Sari or Sari, um, sorry, probably Beth Rosenberg. Um, so if you don't follow her on social media, please go follow her because she is incredible and I love her and I want to have her on the podcast one day, um, in general, she likes true crime.

I know. Um, anyway, she is a history teacher and is like the. Like, I feel like Ashley would have been her to, um, she, she addresses everything and she really, really, truly focuses on like true history. Um, so with all this kind of stuff happening in Florida with like them taking up black history and all this shit, she has been like really going in hard, like, excuse me.

Uh, love her. So, and love how she, like, reacts to her students in

Brandon: general, too. Well, and also all the respect to anybody who wants to be, or is a

Kevin: teacher. Very difficult and very underpaid. We should take care of our teachers more. Um, but Ashley, that was her dream job, was to be a high school history teacher, which I think is incredible.

So, Ashley also [00:46:00] loved dance, uh, and was a dancer from the time she was a toddler, uh, which is, of course, how Brittany, uh, knows her because our, my sister in law, Brittany, Was a dancer, but also her grandmother ran a whole dance school, I believe. Yeah. Oh, she did. Um, and, um, the, the Britney's family is very, very much intertwined and our niece is, uh, is now a dancer.

So anyway, um, she was born, uh, a Bloomingdale crim, or no, not born. She was a Bloomingdale Crimson doll. Uh, a dance teacher and a dance coach at Riverview High School. Um, she was also a teacher's aid at the local school for middle and high school students with learning disabilities, which. The world needs Ashley's.

I know. Like, so anyway, um, she worked for Bank of America. So this is an interesting parallel, right? Um, two banks. So she worked in for Bank of America in both Tampa and in Los Angeles. And the cool thing about banking, cause I did start in banking when I was younger, um, is that you can actually [00:47:00] move jobs.

between branches, and when it's another state, you can actually move, uh, that way too. So it's pretty awesome that she was able to take her, her role that she, uh, was, had here in Tampa and take it out to LA. Yeah. There's a reason she moved to LA, which is actually not great, but I'll go over that in a second.

Uh, Ashley also loved her children. Um, and had a soft heart for those that were less fortunate. Um, and Ashley was the mother, like I said earlier, of two beautiful little girls. Um, she absolutely loved being a mom. And one of her biggest dreams in life, outside of being a history teacher, was that she just wanted to give her girls an incredible life.

Um, and as a former, I'm way too emotional, but as a former, uh, foster child and, and, and, um, kid of a failed adoption, I, That really resonates with me. Like what an incredible human. I mean, she sounds like she was. Yeah. I actually pulled this information from a post that Ashley's mom made, um, in a support group that was created in [00:48:00] Ashley's name.

And I think that she created this when they were trying to search for, um, the, you know, her murderer. Um, but I thought it was really poignant and I wanted to put it in here, but I did want to say that I did grab a lot of this from that. So anyway, um, in 2006. Uh, Ashley met Eadley, Edley, Atherly, um, and a year later they were married.

So, I know, I thought so too. Uh, from the beginning of the marriage, it was clear that there were signs of abuse. And we've done, I think our last episode was about abuse. It was. In general

Brandon: too, because of, But it was people taking revenge on their abusers.

Kevin: It was. So this is a little bit different. Yeah, this is a little bit different.

I wish, I wish we were, you know, I wish Ashley was able to, yeah, it's just horrible. So, anyway, um, Like I said, from the beginning of the marriage, it was clear that there were signs of abuse, so he didn't like her friends and ultimately convinced her to stop associating with them. So off the bat, that is a clear sign of 100 percent 100 percent control.

You can be in a relationship and not like someone's [00:49:00] friends. Yeah, don't hang out with it. Just don't hang out with it done. But you do not stop somebody. No, no. If

Brandon: anybody, their friends, if anybody wants you to stop seeing people, unless there's like some kind of like Bigger issue bigger bigger any bigger issue.

It doesn't really matter. No, it does like just

Kevin: no listen I mean you have

Brandon: some people in your life that I just don't like but they're gone from your life So it oh my and it's

Kevin: not because of me clear sign of control. No, I'm just not

Brandon: because of me It was because of you and I'm glad that you're

Kevin: actually they were horrible friends So I may have mentioned

Brandon: one on the last episode.

Kevin: His name is Tommy Um, awful. But, uh, I do, uh, here's the thing. This is a little message for anyone that's like going through maybe some domestic whatever. That dick is not good enough. Taste it. Okay? It's not. Find yourself another delicious, gorgeous penis. There's plenty

Brandon: of wieners in the sea.

Kevin: Some of them are not great, but, uh, no [00:50:00] dick is great enough.

No. Yeah. Get rid of that dick. Get a new dick. You'll like it. Okay. Uh, additionally, so in, in, you He did not want to participate in family functions and actually started making it difficult for her to attend her only fan her own Not only that was like that just took a little bit of a turn not only fans But anyway, he he didn't participate in family functions and then he started making it difficult for her to attend her own family Yeah, these are all just it

Brandon: sucks because these are all red flags that you I imagine being in that space, you don't even think it's anything

Kevin: wrong.

And it's interesting too, because he eventually, um, started insisting that she choose him. Over her family members. Okay. And like, no. Um, so anyway, the family actually began to see signs of domestic abuse as well. So it was clear that he was isolating her in general and causing her severe mental abuse, but it was suspected that there was also physical abuse as well.

So, like many victims of abuse, Ashley would continuously [00:51:00] deny the abuse, even though police were called on several occasions. Um, so, uh, some of the things that he would do, he would use the kids as leverage. Of course. And he wouldn't allow Ashley to take the girls when she would leave. So, family functions, he wouldn't let her take, um, the girls to, like, just in general, he wouldn't let them.

I don't know. Because he's a horrible dude. So, um, as time went on, Ashley's family would eventually, um, say that, uh, Eadley was stripping her of everything that made her Ashley. And I think that that's, that's really true, yeah, in domestic violence cases that, or just in, in cases of control, like the, the person who's controlling will strip the person of, of their personality and their, their comfort and their love and their, just everything.

And, um, and he's because they want to

Brandon: be the ones that. That like, he doesn't want he didn't want her to go to other people. He wanted her to go to him. And the only way to do that is to help remove those people, which it seems like he did even not allowing the Children to go along with her [00:52:00] to be around her family like that.

Yeah, no. Yeah, he was, in a sense, grooming her away from

Kevin: everybody. 100%. Okay, so Uh, fast forward just a tiny bit to December, 2012. So, um, in December, 2012, Ashley reluctantly shared. Reluctantly. Reluctantly, okay. Jesus Christ. We should not have done this today. , uh, we're good. Anyway, um, Ashley reluctantly shared with her family that her husband, um, what was his name?

Eley E Eley Lord. Um, decided that they would be moving to California because he had an opportunity for a job transfer. Um, it was also where most of his family lived. Because he wanted

Brandon: to get away from all of, anybody she knew.

Kevin: Oh, they were, I'm sure he had a much bigger plan. So this was after, um, Eadley had stranded.

Stranded. That was weird. Um, again, we haven't looked at our notes. So anyway, [00:53:00] this was actually, um, when he, uh, had taken, uh, both of their cars, sold them and, um, went to one vehicle. Uh, and then he also was giving everything they owned away. So at the same time, this was happening. So interesting. So as they left Florida, her family couldn't help but be terrified that this was him isolating her even more from her family and her overall support system.

Because remember, she was from Tampa. Yeah. Um, or the Tampa Bay area. So at this point, he had complete control. So taking her out of here and moving to, um, right outside of LA. That was her. That was her support system. So he at this point had complete control. So, um, after here they moved in with Eatley's mother in San Bernardino.

So after their move, the family tried to talk to her as often as they could, but they felt that they could never have an actual private conversation with Ashley. Because I'm sure he was there listening. A hundred percent, which is, and it's so interesting too, because I think that there was an element of your family, um, that when we were kind of dating and [00:54:00] things were going a little bit weird that they maybe felt that way.

Um, uh, but we actually weren't actually around each other, uh, in general, but I will tell you that you should be able to have a private conversation with your family. Well, absolutely. Like it's weird that, that like this is. No, no, but he was,

Brandon: he was exactly. He was trying to control her. Everything was a form of abuses.

Kevin: Well, he wanted to control the conversation.

Brandon: He wanted to make sure that she wasn't saying anything that she shouldn't. All of that

Kevin: kind of stuff. Yeah, it's just awful. So, um, by February, um, Of, uh, at this time, it's now 2013, which I love how I put 2023, uh, no, but by February of 2013, Ashley had actually sent her mom a picture of herself covered in blue liquid.

She looked worn, scared, and sad. Blue liquid? Yeah, the blue liquid was laundry detergent that Edley had poured over her head while she was holding both of her daughters. Apparently she was having a FaceTime conversation with her 10 year old little [00:55:00] brother, um, which apparently Edley had not approved of.

Um, and yeah, so he like poured this detergent. So apparently 3000 plus miles was not enough distance between her and her own family. Um, and so that was, yeah, so after that, Ashley and her girls got plane tickets back to Florida. Um, but Edley wouldn't allow Ashley to take the girls, so they ended up staying.

So Ashley then ended up moving from San Bernardino to LA and moving in with Edley's dad. So Ashley's mom started sending her info on abuse and local shelters in the area to contact. They also started talking about a safe pack so that she would have all of her, all of her important documents together, um, when she was ready to leave.

So Ashley actually knew that she needed to leave, but she wouldn't go without her girls, and Eadley knew that, so he continued to use the girls to keep her there. But I do want to note this idea of a safe pack. Um, because there's some things that happen with that, but, but a safe pack is basically when you're trying to [00:56:00] leave a domestic violence type of situation, um, a lot of times the person who's the abuser of the one in control will keep your documents, um, uh, so that you're kind of stranded.

So a safe pack is actually something that you have take out of the house. That you can actually access, which is pretty smart cards and all this kind of stuff. Yeah. So that's so

Brandon: smart. I'd never, I don't think I would have ever.

Kevin: No. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously this leans more heavy on to, to women who are 100 percent proportionately, um, uh, higher risk of, uh, of getting abused and all this shit.

So, I mean, let's, let's be honest. It's usually straight men that are, yeah. You know,

Brandon: I mean, it's

Kevin: typically always, yeah, so, but obviously I'm sure that there's a full spectrum of, you know, gay relationships with, I will, for sure, women, men, or,

Brandon: you know, absolutely. But I think the overwhelming majority is men.

Correct. But again, it can happen to anybody. So anybody who is in a situation where you are, can relate to this, whether you are, or. Uh, a woman, a gay person, [00:57:00] a queer person, uh, uh, even a straight man feeling this from their, their, um, their spouses. Like it

Kevin: could be anybody. All right. So fast forward to June of 2013.

Um, Eadley moves into his dad's home with Ashley. So in what I had said earlier, where she had moved into LA with Eadley's dad, his dad did not move in with her. So she was living there alone, I believe. Um,

Brandon: but, but he was still with June, his mother.

Kevin: I believe so. So by June, he actually moves into with his dad, um, with Ashley and eventually another physical altercation occurs.

So after that physical altercation, Ashley returned to Florida with the girls, but she did not go for that long. So Edley called and demanded that she returned with the girls. So unfortunately, three days later, she didn't. So this was the last time her family would see her alive. So remember, that was June.

Yeah. So by October of 2013, Ashley finally got the courage to leave. Eidley, um, had tried to strangle her, so she [00:58:00] became terrified that he would kill her if she didn't get out. So Ashley moved out of the home without her girls, but visited them each week. Um, she didn't let Eidley know where she was living out of fear, which, yeah.

Um, he was not allowed on her job's property. So Bank of America in LA, she was not allowed, he was not allowed on that property, um, and security even had his picture. So it was pretty severe. Yeah. So she started telling people about the abuse and finally started to sound like Ashley again, which is what her mom said.

Um, she was strong and confident and like was finding her voice. Yeah. Once again. So by November of 2013, um, Ashley convinces Eadley to file for divorce. So Ashley had already gotten an apartment, um, and her, uh, and the girls moved in to L. A. two hours away. But she was still

Brandon: willing to stay in that area to be

Kevin: closer to him.

Yeah, I think she, I, I think so. I think she was afraid to take the girls. Well, I'm sure he would probably try to do something. Exactly. So she did stay in L. A. I wish she would have came back here, but, you know, her family does too. But [00:59:00] anyway, she moved, um, with the girls and her into LA, uh, which was two hours away.

Uh, which of course was much closer to her job that was in LA too. Yeah. So, um, she kept the location secret from Eatly. Um, and her mom, um, insisted that she returned to Florida, but she was so afraid that she'd lose the girls if she left. So she stayed. So, all right, let's talk about the murder. So it was the Wednesday before Thanksgiving of November 27th, and This is really interesting.

I actually went and pulled up the court documents, um, to kind of get some timelines here because it was pretty, it was pretty intense. So, um, again, Wednesday before Thanksgiving, November 27th. On November 27th, the day before, Ashley planned to travel with the children to San Bernardino to have Thanksgiving dinner with Atherly.

at a restaurant. She planned on returning to Los Angeles that same night because she had to work at the bank the next day. However, at the last minute, Atherly, which I'm going to refer to whatever her, you know, um, husband at the time, um, who murdered her, uh, I'm going to call him [01:00:00] Atherly. So, uh, at the last minute, Atherly changed the plans.

He told Ashley that he had borrowed someone's vehicle so he would pick up Ashley and the children in Los Angeles and drive them to San Bernardino for Thanksgiving dinner in the apartment. Ashley was afraid. She didn't want to go. Uh, but Atherly, uh, picked up Ashley and the children and drove them to San Bernardino, to the San Bernardino apartment.

He promised to drive Ashley back to Los Angeles early Friday morning so she could get ready for work, and then told the person he borrowed the vehicles from that he would return it later on Friday. Thanksgiving Day. Atherly's mother telephoned him, um, and Ashley around 10 on Thanksgiving. Ashley invited her over for dinner, but she had other plans.

So on November 29th, Ashley arrived at the bank, so she did Thanksgiving, came back. Um, Ashley arrived at the bank for work wearing a man's shirt that was way too big for her and no makeup, which was very unusual for her. Um, she was very tired and emotional. Ashley told a co worker that she argued with Atherly the night before.[01:01:00]

Um, she was worried, um, easily startled, did not make eye contact, and was very quiet. Ashley told a co worker the drive from San Bernardino was very awkward and uncomfortable. So around lunchtime, Ashley told a co worker that she was going home to change into her own clothes. At 1228 p. m., Atherly sent a text to Ashley stating, Hey babe, can you call me real quick?

Need your advice. Have a few options. So at 1229 p. m., Ashley called Atherly. She left work around 1230 p. m. At 1249 p. m., Atherly texted Ashley. Here, she got into a green Honda parked in front of the bank and it drove away. Ashley never returned to work. She did not contact anyone at the bank to say she would not be returning, which was very unusual.

So Ashley was scheduled to work at her waitressing job that night too, but she never showed up and never contacted anyone to say that she was not coming to work. This was also very unusual. So one of Ashley's coworkers, his name was Jonathan K, tried numerous times to text and call Ashley. At 7 40 PM, a text was sent from Ashley's phone to [01:02:00] him saying, Hey Jay.

Um, uh, I, or just, Hey, Jay, at 7:42 PM another text to Jonathan was sent from Ashley's phone stating, I'm so sorry I fell asleep at 7:54 PM A text from Ashley's phone to Jonathan States. Hey Jay, I have food poisoning. When texting Jonathan, um, in the past, Ashley's actually always referred to him as J K or Jonathan.

Never J. So that's interesting. He's trying to cover up. Yeah. So on November 30th, um, uh, on the morning of November 30th, the car still wasn't the car that he had borrowed still was not returned to the owner. Um, and so they were concerned because the car was not there. Um, yeah. Uh, on Friday, as promised. So she called, uh, this person called him and they're related, um, but I kind of left it out, but absolutely answered the phone, um, sounding hungover and said that everything was okay, but that he was sorry he didn't return to return the car.

Uh, he just kept apologizing. Um, and then he said, Oh, I need to sleep a little bit longer. I'll return it after. So later that [01:03:00] day he was called again because the car wasn't still not returned, but he did not answer. Uh, calls were now going unanswered from both Ashley and Eatly. Cause this person also was trying to call Ashley.

Yeah. So at around 10 p. m. of November 30th, two of Atherly's neighbors in his San Bernardino apartment complex, George H and Andrew T testified that they were outside smoking. And although it was cold, he, um, Atherly was barefoot outside the apartment complex. He was saturated in blood and also had blood on both of his arms.

Um, and on his right hand, but, um, he told them that he had cut his hand on his hand on a fence while looking for his wallet. But there were no metal fences in the area, only brick walls. Um, his hand was cut from top to bottom, uh, Andrew testified. You could see the meat of his hand hanging. Although it was a very deep cut, he did not appear to be in any pain.

Um, he had a scrape a few inches along his right forearm as well. So Sam C., who, [01:04:00] uh, was working as a security guard at the apartment complex, and at about 10. 30 p. m., a woman reported someone was trying to enter the complex through a locked gate. Sam saw him outside barefoot and wearing a bloodstained shirt and pajama bottoms.

Um, he appeared to be nervous, uh, and his hand was bloody. But he told Sam that he cut his hand while trying to help a fence, uh, to look for his wallet. But Sam ended up calling the police. Good. Later that evening, um, a, uh, Uh, I don't know who it says. I wrote later that evening. Father, is it her father? Yeah.

No, it's his father. Um, who is visiting family in Florida, uh, actually called athlete several times, but there was no answer when actually finally answered a call. He sounded pretty incoherent and said they're coming for me right now. Um, so concerned, the, the dad called the mom and asked her to check on him.

So at 1119 PM that night, Sam Bernardino, uh, police officer Mira Donner, or Donner, arrived at the apartment complex in response to Sam's call. The officer [01:05:00] contacted Atherly, who was inside the complex, but by now Atherly had apparently changed clothes, had no blood on his clothes, so Sam was not bleeding.

So, um, Atherly identified himself to, uh, that officer, um, as Ed Lee. Atherly was not intoxicated or under the influence of any drugs. He refused medical treatment, denied he had been in any physical altercation, and said he had cut his hand while jumping over the metal gate. He told the officer he lived nearby, but did not provide an address.

Believing that there was no evidence of a crime, the officer departed. Okay. So, Mariela, who lived upstairs from Atherly's apartment. Uh, at about midnight, um, she was outside walking her dogs and one of them ran up to the doorway of his apartment. At the same time, he opened the front door. He seemed surprised to see her, went back inside and shut the door.

So, December 31st, 2013, it was a Sunday, um, Uh, and, um, so the woman was still on, uh, who, [01:06:00] uh, he borrowed the car from was still unable to contact him, um, and people were starting to get concerned. So, um, anyway, they drove to his apartment on the way, um, they picked up his mom and, you know, all these family members would kind of like what is happening.

So they arrived at his apartment complex at 1130 and she saw her car in the parking lot and assumed that he was just in the apartment. Yeah. So they stopped at the car first, opened and locked the car and saw blood inside. So, um, the police determined, well, so eventually the police determined that Ashley's blood was in the interior passenger side door, middle console and exterior glove compartment.

But, um, the owner of the car also found two receipts inside the vehicle, both dated Friday, November 29th. One was for a telephone accessory purchase, um, at about noon from a Los Angeles gas station near Ash's apartment. The other was from, uh, 1 or 1 p. m., uh, purchasing cigarettes and whiskey from a San Bernardino drugstore.

So, after looking inside the GMC, um, the three women, so they, I think that they were cousins and his mom, [01:07:00] Went up to his apartment, but there was no answer, um, at the front door, which was locked, um, or on the balcony sliding glass door and they couldn't see through the windows. So they went to, um, ask the manager if they would open the door.

And so, um, anyway, they, uh, opened the door. I don't know what this note says, but basically I believe he was in the apartment and fled. Uh, so after the, oh, no, no, no, no, no. They asked to get the apartment opened and, uh, the manager refused to open the apartment. So they called the police. Um, the police arrived and after obtaining the key from the manager, they entered the apartment, which smelled like body decomposition, um, actually was found dead on the bathroom floor.

So, um, apparently her pants had been removed from her left leg. There was blood on the bathroom floor and door. Um, bloody towels were next to her body. There was blood on an air mattress in the living room. Um, yeah, and blankets were next to the [01:08:00] mattress. And where are the kids at this point? I don't know yet.

There was wet blood underneath the air mattress and blood drops in the living room, um, on the vertical blinds. There was a blood trail that led from the living room to the bathroom. Oh my gosh. It was a mess. So inside the apartment, police also found a bloody pair of pajama pants and a bloody knife blade.

Um, his fingerprints, um, were in blood on the knife. Um, and a police criminalist found only a single source of blood on the knife and it was Ashley's blood. So, police found, um, a knife handle in the corner of the living room with marks showing where the blade broke from the handle. Ashley's blood was also the single source of the blood on the handle.

So, later, um, police searched his apartment, uh, inside a kitchen drawer. They found a set of knives with blades and plastic handles similar to The bloody knife found in his apartment. Um, the knives were uniformly placed in the drawer longest to shortest. However, there was a big, there was a gap between two of the knives, appearing that this was the knife that was used.

Um, and the gap was consistent with the size of the knife that they found. [01:09:00] Um, That weekend, Ashley was obviously reported missing. Police were called to check on her welfare, um, after her family said they couldn't get in touch with her and said that Ashley and, um, her, uh, soon to be ex husband were, uh, estranged and had been for a few months.

So, um, again, that's when they went to his apartment as well, found her body and all that kind of stuff. Um, what's really sad is that she was brutally murdered. She had been beaten so badly that her mom, um, had to identify her based on a tattoo on her back and a fingerprint card that she had when she was eight years old.

Um, and he hit her in the face, giving her two black eyes and a broken nose and then stabbed her in the neck with a butcher knife. So, um, the Tuesday after Thanksgiving, um, And this is, again, is from some of this stuff, but I'm going to go over the autopsy. Um, So this woman, Jacqueline V, works as a medical assistant at a clinic in San Bernardino on December 3rd at [01:10:00] about 5.

30 p. m. Um, uh, sorry, this is actually the day after Thanksgiving, jumping back a hot minute, not the autopsy quite yet, but, um, the day after Thanksgiving, um, Atherly actually ran up to a clinic door, um, as she was closing and asked for peroxide for the cut on his hand, which was bleeding, but she referred him to the hospital emergency room.

Like

Brandon: if you can see the flesh of your skin

Kevin: inside of you, like he was cut pretty deep and I'm assuming he probably slipped onto the knife or something. I don't know. Yeah. I hope she fucked him up too. But anyway, um, he, uh, he asked for help. She was like, go to the ER. He was upset and refused and then he eventually left, I guess.

So, autopsy. Um, again, this is from the case details, which I, which was interesting. So, this was from the People vs. Etherly, um, uh, court documents. So, she sustained, Ashley sustained three sharp force injuries. The first was a superficial injury on the right thumb caused by a knife, a defensive wound likely occurring when Ashley [01:11:00] put her hands up.

Uh, the second was a large knife wound in the front of her neck. The knife penetrated at an angle, severing the major blood vessels on the left side, puncturing her chest cavity and cutting her trachea, her windpipe, um, with her trachea severed, Ashley, um, aspirated blood. Uh, you know, which is shooting out and she died within minutes.

So she, you know, which is awful. Um, but I'm sure, you know, he obviously beat her before. Oh, for sure. So the third, um, knife wound was a very small puncture mark near her left shoulder blade. Uh, there was a corresponding hole in her shirt. So Ashley had blunt force injuries to her face from her just from four distinct blows, a bruise in the center of her forehead, hemorrhage, In both eyelids, a broken nose and a contusion on her upper, the inside of her upper lip.

Uh, the lip contusion was consistent with pressure being applied by hand directly onto the mouth as she was struggling. She sustained these injuries, um, either minutes, um, [01:12:00] up to or, or within the hour after she died, which is really interesting. So let's talk about the arrest and the trial. So perfect time for alarms to go off right now too.

I know, right? And we're not in New York city right now, but, um, anyway, uh, the car that he actually borrowed from the family member was parked nearby with what appeared to be blood inside, which I mentioned earlier. Um, he had also been seen outside of his apartment on November 30th with wounds to his right hand and arm, which I said earlier, uh, that next Wednesday he was seen at the San Bernardino MetroLeaks station by a security officer.

Dean Doe. Is that what I said? He said San Bernardino.

Brandon: Sorry, I had to

Kevin: call it out. I do. Yeah, I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for you. Um, so again, that next Wednesday after the murder, he was seen at a San Bernardino. Metro Lake Station, uh, by security officer who asked him if he needed assistance. When he asked him if he needed assistance, he ran.

So, of course, the security officer called the [01:13:00] police. Um, and so the manhunt to bring, um, him in began. Basically, kind of then, but also when they found all this shit. So, on January 18th of 2014, so there was a, you know, a period of time that he was on the run, that they were looking for him. Um, but he was running.

To florida, which is interesting. So on january 18th of 2019, he actually surrendered to federal authorities here in Tampa. Um, and so during the trial, he, uh, it came out that he actually had a criminal history that included a november 28 2008 charge of domestic violence in Hillsborough County. And in 2000 and in 2005, he was arrested on a domestic battery charge in Charlotte County.

So it was discovered that Ashley, uh, was murdered the same day she went missing, on November 29th. Uh, it was also discovered that, uh, his own father told Ashley to go back to Florida, and that if she didn't, he thinks his son would kill her. How fucking crazy is that? So he ended up being extradited to California, um, he was [01:14:00] convicted of second degree murder, uh, and is serving 16 years to life.

Good. So, what's interesting, and I think that this is, uh, I put it in here because I think it's really valuable, but After the trial, her mom, who's known as Mimi, and her husband, Rick, who was known as Pop Pop, um, adopted both of her girls, and in 2015, um, to keep their daughters, um, or they adopted, sorry, in 2015, they adopted the girls to keep their mom, their mother's memory alive, um, in general, so, Ashley's mother now knows that the information that she sent to her daughter, remember I said that she, they were kind of talking back and forth and giving her resources in this, this pack, um, um, Ashley's mom now knows that her daughter actually listened and read everything because a backpack was found in her office, which contained all of her important documents, birth certificates, social security cards, school records, everything that she would need when she decided to leave.

She was so close to getting a chance. Yeah. So, [01:15:00] uh, what I found to be interesting, I'm not sure that this is still around, but immediately after, um, uh, they created something called Ashley's safe pack. Um, and it was, it was, uh, it was powered by doc safe. Um, but basically actually safe pack is a virtual safe deposit box for domestic violence victims to safely upload and store their important documents.

So I charge, um, I hope it's still around. I couldn't really find much information on it anymore, other than like the initial press release of it. Um, so if you're out there and you know that this still exists, please, um, let us know. Yeah. We would love to share that. But, um, again, Ashley's safe pack and, um, Yeah, it's, it, it's supposed to make an exit both safer and easier.

So, um, so that was the story of, of Ashley, um, which I focused a lot more heavier. No, I'm glad you did on Ashley because then he's out. Yeah. He's abusive.

Brandon: Yeah. No, I'm glad that you did. It was great to hear more about her than anything.

Kevin: Yeah. And, um, Ashley Hall. So I know that we have a lot of Tampa Bay listeners and if [01:16:00] you, you were.

Um, in her tribe and certainly her family, our love goes out to, um, and I'm so sorry that you experienced this and, um, you know, uh, people feel so helpless when they can't help somebody that's going through that or, or the person just isn't at a place where they can, you know, listen, um, and God, her parents must be just devastated and.

You know, it's still to this day, but it's amazing that they're raising her daughters. And so the, the life that I'm sure Ashley really wanted to give them, I know her parents will do that, um, for her on her behalf. So anyway, uh, yeah, that was, that's the story of, of Ashley who I'm going to call Ashley Nicole Hall because fuck her, you know, her married, married name.

But anyway, um, bless her heart. I wish I would have known her. I love that. I, you know, we're second, third, God, more sirens. What's happening here? Um, but anyway, I, you know, at least we get, uh, our, my sister in law and [01:17:00] our love who, who knew her, um, as well. So anyway. We did it. We did. Goodness. Again. Sorry that took so long.

Yeah. Sorry for our little break. We won't have them now. Um, or shouldn't, uh, it was so interesting too, because we, we thought Marty was going to pass away over the holidays, which is why we actually took a break then. Um, and she, man, she just kind of pushed through and seemed to be doing okay. Um, and so again, sorry for the recent lapse, um, in episodes, but, um, we're back.

And, um, you know, we'll, we're taking the time to, to grieve and heal and heal and just remember Martina. But you see Martina right here. So hello, Marty. Uh, and, uh, I'm sure that we'll have her, uh, joining us often. We will. And, um, yeah, thanks for listening and thanks for reaching out for sure. Any parting notes, Bran?

I love [01:18:00] you. I love you too. I love you too, Martina. Yeah. We love you, Marty. I love you, Bob. I love you too. And, um,

Brandon: Well, with that, I guess it's time to say, don't forget to subscribe, follow, rate, review us.

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